Rick Stevens wrote: >> Fedora is, by definition, bleeding edge. Ralf Corsepius: > No, Fedora is not supposed to the bleeding edge. It's supposed to be the > cutting edge, with some occasional warts sometimes. I would say, by way of what it actually is, it is bleeding edge. But you're arguing over pedantics. The Fedora website may, now, say what /they/ want Fedora to be. People who've been using it since it used to be called Red Hat Linux, know what it is. I'm fairly sure I've seen Red Hat describe it similarly, way back in the beginning, or at least I know I've seen the computer print media say so (i.e. those who review different computer systems). It's clear that we are a test bed, whether that be Red Hat pushing things to be tested into it, themselves, or they're just looking at what Fedora users put into it. You can see that from what goes into Fedora ends up on Red Hat's Linux. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it gets tiring to see some people running around with their hands over their ears, "la la laaing," so they don't hear it. And it can't possibly be considered as a general purpose distro, it's just too unattractive to the casual user. The release turnover time is way too fast, and it doesn't support encumbered products (MP3, graphics card drivers, etc.) without technical tinkering to add it in. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org