On 21 March 2014 18:04, Joe Zeff <joe@xxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm guessing that you mean that Ubuntu is more popular, and has a much > bigger installed user base. Yes, that's right. > If so, it's probably because it's designed to > be very user friendly, True, I think it succeeds better there. I have been running Ubuntu since the first release, on a huge variety of hardware, including some non-x86 kit. To be brutally honest, even with commercial live-deployment Unix experience going back to 1989, I have /never/ got any release of Fedora to successfully install on real hardware. I find the installer that bad, and it's been getting worse, not better. > doesn't make a big deal about some of the software > restrictions that Fedora cares about That's a fair point, but other distros cover that base too - Debian, primarily. I could be wrong but I don't see that as a perceived Fedora strength. > and is, as I like to say, designed for > "Windows refugees." It's designed to be easy, sure - that's the reason for the "Linux for Human Beings" strapline. It's not /remotely/ Windows-like, though, and never really particularly has been. > Fedora, OTOH, is a much more geeky distro Hmmm. I don't see that either. Not saying you are wrong, just I have not got that message. To me, the scale of hardcore geeky distros goes something like (less -> more): Debian -> Slackware -> Arch -> Gentoo > designed as a > test bed for new ideas, programs and technologies That's the primary message, yes. > that's not for people who > don't like to tinker with things or who aren't willing to accept that not > everything in their distro is really ready for prime time. [Nod] Yup. > Candidly, I'm expecting zorin (http://zorin-os.com/) to become a significant > part of the Linux world once Microsoft finally drives a stake through XP's > heart because it's a fork of Ubuntu designed to have a UI that looks as much > like XP as possible, so that people can pretend they're still using Windows. I have been looking at Zorin for a possible review recently. I wasn't that impressed. There are /loads/ of Windows-like Ubuntu remixes already - #1 is Mint, then there's Lubuntu; Xubuntu can be made into it trivially easily. Zorin is no more Windows-like than any of them. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven@xxxxxxxxx * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven@xxxxxxxxxxx * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org