On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 21:00 +0100, poma wrote: > On 02.01.2014 13:24, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > In my view NM is ludicrously over-complicated, > > and steadily getting more complicated > > as more and more "features" are added. > > Au contraire. > 'kde-plasma-nm' is the spitting image of both 'network-manager-applet' & > 'nm-connection-editor', quite straightforward and simple tools to use. > With proper MBB support. To Tim Murphy: I agree 100%. 10 years ago linux could be maintained by a modestly competent programmer and was modestly well documented. Now to modify parts of some subsystems, say KDE pim, or LibreOffice requires understanding and rebuilding hundreds of thousands (millions?) of lines of undocumented code and rebuilding the entire subsystem. Is it possible to make these systems more modular (always good coding practice), or better documented. I have never been able to use kmail because it seems to require akonadi and nepomuk (what are they?). It's nice to have applications "just work (tm)", but it's even nicer to make them fixable when they don't. About better applets, read on... To poma: The problem, for me at least, with KDE's "kde-plasma-nm" is that it doesn't work, whereas Gnome's "network-manager-applet" works perfectly. I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to get a laptop on which I had just installed a KDE Fedora Spin to connect to my home network, using "kde-plasma-nm". No connection and no indication of what the problem could be, though it's possible that I just did something really stupid like not being finding the "Connect" button or whatever. Network-manager-applet worked perfectly on the first try; I didn't even have to enter the hot spot info, which was available from data that I had entered into NetworkManager using "kde-plasma-nm". Any advice about how to use "kde-plasma-nm" or what might be wrong with it is earnestly solicited. All the best - jon -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
