On 12/1/2013 5:39 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > On 12-1-13 17:03:07 David wrote: >> That has been discussed to the ends of the universe. He and several >> others and I use the same Mozilla Thunderbird email client. It works for >> me and not them. > > I use Kmail and I also set my threading options to try to approximate > threading by paying attention to the Subject header value, date, and > time. This makes these broken messages sort into the thread I'm > reading. But... > > Without the required headers, there is no way to do proper threading. > It can only come close using Subject header value, date, and time. > >> After (limited time and skills here) the only obvious >> difference that I can see is that 'they' use the Fedora packaged >> Thunderbird and I do not. Does this make a difference? > > Almost certainly not. It is a function of the client settings. Like > I said, you have told your client to use Subject header value, date, > and time to do threading *if* the correct headers are not supplied. > > Here's a look at Patrick's headers: > > First I snip out the headers supplied by the servers that received his > message. Then we come to what his message actually supplied: > > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 15:32:17 +0100 > From: "Patrick Dupre" <pdupre@xxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20131201143218.102640@xxxxxxx> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: evince > To: "Community support for Fedora users" <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > X-Flags: 0001 > X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer > x-registered: 0 > X-GMX-UID: JS3pcnxJeSEqJ2ux8H0hYYV+IGRvb0CV > > Notice that his message didn't include In-Reply-To or References > headers. BY DEFINITION, this message is a brand new thread. It > doesn't refer to any previous message. Patrick broke the thread. > > In contrast, here are the headers from the message you wrote and that > I am replying to: > > Message-ID: <529BB21B.2080601@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:03:07 -0500 > From: David <dgboles@xxxxxxxxx> > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; > rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: evince > References: <20131201143218.102640@xxxxxxx> > <529B6DDA.2090701@xxxxxxxxx> <529B7E01.5050206@xxxxxxxxx> > <3476548.tqg5ruCP5g@vfr> > In-Reply-To: <3476548.tqg5ruCP5g@vfr> > X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 > > Notice that your message properly refers to mine (in its In-Reply-To > header) as what you are replying to and adds all of the other messages > in this "mini-thread" that Patrick started (in its References header). > But there are many more messages in the thread you thought was here. > They are missing because Patrick broke the thread with his message. > > Without proper headers, threading is impossible. The same Subject > header value is *not* a thread identifier. Only message IDs can be > used for that. > >> How the heck >> would I know? I'm the dummy. :-) > > Two ways to know: > > 1. Set your client to thread only using proper message headers and to > ignore the Subject header value. > > 2. Examine the headers. > > As for me, I don't mind the occasional broken thread message so I tell > my client to sort by Subject header value, date, and time, *if* the > proper headers are missing. I find this works well for me on mailing > lists. I never do this at my day job. > > But this topic got my attention. It seems that many others set their > clients with similar sorting criteria, but do not know the > implications. > Now that is interesting. I will certainly look into that when I have the time. Else? 'The Dummy's System' appears to work for now. Which I would think is what us 'average dummy users' want. Something that works without smoke, mirrors, spells and incantations. :-) -- David -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
