Allegedly, on or about 22 November 2013, Rahul Sundaram sent: > What I was trying to convey is that If I am as an user unaware of > other desktop environments, the defaults impact my experience a lot > more than if I already know of the choices and have picked something > that matches my preferences. The moment I pick something else, I have > satisfied my need and the argument about defaults should really be > considered in a more objective way than just as an expression of my > preferences I'm of the opinion that the computer should work, as much as possible, out of the box. It shouldn't require high end graphics cards, and special drivers that we don't have (whether because you need to get them from an external repo, or that they just don't exist). The simpler windowing systems ought to be the defaults, and the more convoluted ones a deliberate choice for those who want to tart things up, and are prepared to go through the nightmares of trying to get 3D graphics acceleration to work. And speaking of fancying things up beyond practicality. Can we have a better bootloader than GRUB2? GRUB 1 was always a small bit of a pain to configure, but far less worse than LILO. GRUB 2 requires programming to customise, not just a slight tweak of one config file. My current bugbear is that it always loads some old kernel, rather than the latest, because it sorts them in a peculiar order. Top of the list isn't the latest, and picking number whatever as default isn't going to work after the next kernel update. I'm going to have to hand re-organise the grub2.cfg file after each time a kernel is updated, to get it to work sensibly. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org