On 13 Oct 2013 at 16:45, Tim wrote: Subject: Re: Bill Oliver's essay on "just follow instructions". From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date sent: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:45:36 +1030 Send reply to: Community support for Fedora users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 09:40 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > > As a graduate student, I was required to teach. It took a number of > > years to figure it out, but I did figure out why I was a lousy > > teacher. Everything I did in class reflected the attitude "It's > > perfectly clear to me; what the f***'s wrong with you?" > > We had a teacher like that when I was college, and after a long time > we (the class) ended up having an argument with him trying to > understand something that he just wasn't teaching. His response was > almost what you just said. And, he finally explained it, as well. > > We had a mixture of teachers at college: There were those that had > come from university and into teaching, many of whom were hopeless at > teaching. They may have known their stuff, and some really did, but > were terrible at imparting their knowledge. A few that obviously did > not know much about what they were teaching, and couldn't even answer > anything you queried them about. And there were those that had come > from industry, and were teaching us how to do what they used to do, > and what we were going to do. They were the best teachers. > > I despise this move away from apprenticeships, where you're trained to > do the job that you are actually going to do; to school based training > for a job that you hope you might get, against hundreds or thousands > of other applicants, and where the teaching is way too theoretical, > and often impractical. And I consider it to be cruel to put a hundred > students through three, or more, years of schooling where there was > only ever going to employment for a mere handful of them across the > state. > > -- > [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r > 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 As a teacher in community college for over 30 years, I have to agree. Forwarded you message to a number of my co-workers and Dean.. Unfortunately, the system tends to push the academic over the practical. Thanks for the message. > > Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I > read messages from the public lists. > > > > -- > users mailing list > users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have > a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org +----------------------------------------------------------+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mikes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:msetzerii@xxxxxxxxx http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins G4L Disk Imaging Project maintainer http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ +----------------------------------------------------------+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original) Number of Seti Units Returned: 19,471 Processing time: 32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes (Total Hours: 287,489) BOINC@HOME CREDITS SETI 16346049.191783 | EINSTEIN 13749526.149852 ROSETTA 8792737.739291 | ABC 16370697.430475 -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
