On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:14:20 -0500 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." <eoconnor25@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 01/21/2013 01:53 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:28:12 -0500 "Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." > > <eoconnor25@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I too was going to install F18...but I will wait until F19 or F20 before > >> I move forward....I have way too much riding on this laptop working > >> properly...and since it's an "old" Gateway....I'd rather not have to > >> deal with various problems.....issues...and "broken" things....so no > >> "18" for me...as long as there's going to be a Gnome 3.x version for > >> Fedora I'll always use it...just not when it becomes too buggy.... > >> > >> > >> EGO II > >> -- > > Many of us (like you) do use our linux (Fedora) machines for work (and > > largely so). Some of us also happen to believe in the philosophy and > > value of OSS. However, the software can only improve if we try them out > > and provide feedback. Therefore, it is important for us to try these > > out and report. Our feedback is valuable to the developers whose work > > is of greater value and should be appreciated. Both together lead to > > value in the OSS world. > > > > As an aside, I would have preferred a rolling release model with a > > snapshot (these could be the releases every six months) once in a while. > > This keeps packages more stable and also guards against the mad rush to > > somehow get a release out (to Fedora's credit, they did do a 2.5-month > > delay to get 18 right, but it appears that they should have waited much > > more. Of course, the rolling release model is not something that Fedora > > developers have decided to go for, and they do have the final say in > > this matter (as they should: of course I hope they pause to reconsider). > > > > In my mind, the biggest issue with F18 is the installer which has been > > commented on, and which puts things like disk partitioning under the > > rug. Perhaps the goal is to mimic other popular (by ways of mob vote) > > OS's, but some of us have never used anything other than a unix/linux > > system and these users should not have to pay the price for not > > expecting to use days of agony to upgrade a system, as I happily note my > > friends in these other OS-worlds do. > > > > As another aside, about ten or so years ago, I was given to understand > > that if a package moved to 1.0, it would be stable in perpetuity, in > > the sense that old methods would continue to work with minor changes if > > at all. I don't know if I misunderstood but this was a good model to go > > by, in my opinion. > > > > Best wishes, > > Ranjan > > > > > I agree with you....and although I am anxious as all "get out" to put 18 > on my machine...I think I will dust off my old Dell Inspirion and put it > on there to "test" it out. I would hate to think the developers feel > they're unappreciated. I wish I could e-mail them directly and tell them > just how MUCH they're appreciated....I used to use Windows > because....frankly that was all I knew...then I saw a friend using F14 > and I couldn't BELIEVE the things he showed me....things I would be able > to "do" in Fedora that I would NEVER be able to do in Windows...(don't > like the way we setup your Windows NT 4.0 desktop?...TOO BAD!) And then > he dropped the "bomb" on me letting me know he paid NOTHING for it! I > was FLOORED I immediately went home and following his directions > (because I didn't even know what an .iso WAS!) I installed it on this > same Gateway..totally blew away the Windows OS, and I've not looked back > since, I've installed other versions of Linux on my desktops...(I have > three...Linux Mint......CEntOS...and Scientific Linux) but Fedora has > been my "main" machine. I also wouldn't mind them switching to a rolling > release.....I'm sure it would go a lot smoother regarding old hardware > and peripherals and such, but I'm an "F'er" for life! I don't think I > can ever go back to a Windows environment, not because of the price > factor...(I contribute to the Fedoraproject regularly!) but because if > it's limitations! I can only send out a hearty "Thank You" to everyone > who's involved with cranking out this most awesome OS. Cheers!! > In my view, F12-14 (if i recall correctly) were the distribution's high points. Everything worked off the box: liveUSB installs took 2-3 minutes after the final button was clicked. I think F18 is not all that bad, once one can get the installation done successfully. Seriously though, the installer has to be fixed, and I don't see how this can be done in the updates: new DVD/CDs should be rolled out because the installer is where many of the problems (but not all) are. I got into the problems in this thread simply because I could not use the installer to install on a system which had existing disks, some of which I did not want reformatted. I also installed F18 on a separate machine (with Broadcom wifi woes) from scratch (new formatted HDD, etc) and there are no issues there once the Broadcom wifi was sorted out (with Zoltan's help). Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be deleted on receipt. For those needing to send personal or professional e-mail, please use appropriate addresses. ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? 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