what do you mean by stale DNS? how to tell ping 8.8.8.8 fails... 56(84) bytes of data from 192.168.2.8.....destination host unreachable resolv.conf looks normal to me, been using it for a long time generated by network manager search pacbell.net nameserver 206.13.31.12 nameserver 68.94.156.1 I don't have em1 not using wless on f16box ifconfig eth0 eth0 linkcap erhernet ,, HWaddr: .... inet addr… 192.168.2.8 bcast 192.168.2.255 mask 255.255.255.0 UP.. errors 0 interrupts 20 -------- the only new info: the imac now is running internet access ethernet , prev was on airport wless'' so, as of now, the imac seems to have survived the switch to att-uverse which suggests f16 should be able to do also but I have no clue f16box still no internet att today gave a runaround: one tech said their normal support cant help at all w linux, but for a one time charge $49, they could get me to a support specialist, after much crap on telephone finally get to this specialist, he said they can't deal with linux either. He 'thinks' we can get our $49 back. please excuse sloppy format, very painful transcribing f16 responses to paper, then going back to wife's office, manually typing in Jack -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org