>> So I tried xfce via "yum groupinstall xfce" >>That seemed to complete without error >> not sure now, but I think gnome persisted even with reboots. Joe Zeff responded: > Log out, then back in. When you log in, after you've selected your username, >but before you give your password, >there's a drop-down box that's set to the last DE you used. >Change it from Gnome to XFCE and when you log in, >you'll be in Xfce the way you want. I wish I'd known this before I fumbled my way through xfce. I don't think I am getting that drop down box. Current state: It looks like the logouterror finally is no longer appearing. But I don't know what combo of xfce new stuff did the trick. I also did a kill on about 50-70 of those logout errors seen in ps aux --stale code ? However booting now does not start X: the system just hangs with a black screen, blinking dash. I can then get X via going to console,Ctrl-alt-F2, which gives me a sign in prompt, signing in as byers, and running startx. this gets me back to graphical desktop. It's only an extra step for the boot, but I would like to know how to fix this. I am assuming this problem was somehow caused by my fumbling xfce install. Is it sensible to try yum groupremove xfce, or maybe?: groupremove_leaf_only xfce then see if my system boots up with no need for 'startx', back in gnome. If that works, then redo yum groupinstall xfce ? Jack -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org