On 06/22/2012 08:10 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:27:14AM -0700, Daniel wrote:
On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote:
As I understand it to date the devs say:
"Go away", rightly so,
and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so.
I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I
know that the Xfce devs don't. AFAIK, only the Gnome devs say that.
Citation needed! :P
I hope that you're not asking for a citation to the effect that the
KDE or Xfce developers_don't_ respond to complaints with "Go away!"
nor with "Put up or shut up!" and are simply asking for
substantiation that Gnome developers_have_.
In Wikipedia "citation needed" is added to prove a claim.
Right; but the question was whether you were asking for a _positive_
proof of an _negative_ claim.
Basically a
reference to a study showing that in general GNOME developers give this
answer and secondly that XFCE as well as KDE developers don't do this.
So, it indeed appears that you were demanding a positive proof of a
negative claim.
The claim that Gnome developers tell people to kiss off is a positive
claim, one establishes it by pointing to an example of one of them
doing so.
The claim that KDE and Xfce developers don't do this is a negative claim.
I think it is somewhat normal to ask for more details.
What sort of _details_ could one find in such an _absence_?
And I understand
that proving a negative is difficult (XFCE/KDE), but that should still
be possible (sampling of all the answers).
And how would one prove that the sampling were representative?
(Do note that, while I have plainly agreed with Roger and Joe about
what has come from the Gnome developers, I have _not_ taken a position
on whether the KDE or Xfce developers do the same thing. I've just
point to the active absurdity of wanting a _citation_ to prove a claim
that they _don't_ do it.)
In this latter case, what would you do with the substantiation? If
your response would be to shrug or to embrace the acts of
rejection,it would hardly be worth the effort of providing the
substantiation. If, on the other hand, you promise to pour warm,
stale beer on one of those developers, then I for one will be happy
to track down an instance. :-;
So in short: you have a belief, no basis for it, but cannot be bothered
to properly investigate. You make a judgement about GNOME developers,
and when someone from GNOME asks for details, there are none.
No. In short I have a belief, and a basis for it, but don't want to
slog back through the communications that I've read in an attempt to
find those in which Gnome developers essentially said what Roger and
Joe have claimed they say (Roger with approval). And you want me to
slog back through it without expectation of profit; you've even held
onto the option of saying "So what?" or "Durn'd tootin'!" Plainly
it'd be a waste of my time.
Glad you cleared that up for me :)
Oh, I'm not trying to clear it up for you. I'm trying to clear it up
for anyone else who might be reading. ;-)
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