First, preupgrade-cli does not work, stops in some .py stuff. Can't get info, b'cause another comp. No problem, pure preupgrade went smoothly trough, new 17 all ok, so far. When closing comp kernel panic, again can't produce message here, but remember, that can't find shutdown.sh script was one of messages... So, my lap lenovo t61 works, but shutdown has problems... Doomed to be alive for ever? Heh... So have to wait other comps upgrading, probably near to 18 rc2 or something. One question, where you guys, who know something about code and so, have hurry... If you do distro for people, make sure u understand, that persons like me, 60 old want to use it. KISS, KISS, u make more crowns just waiting, not with rush. World IS IS and IS, people aren't. /* Horror, When There is no Electricity */ Jarmo -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org