Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: >> Kernel Guardian wrote: >>> After all of changes in Gnome, systemd, user id and of course Fedora >>> leadership, maybe appropriate name could be "Mea GNUlpa" or "Mea >>> Maxima GNUlpa" >>> >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa) >> I think when in future distros will be 1) some Gmome2 fork, >> 2) instead of systemd upstart/sysvinit again (or as option >> in conjunction with), and 3) all will not be drived by >> NetworkManager, then Fedora will be usable promptly after >> release again. UID/GID increase is IMO OK, and grub2 >> implementation will be sufficiently good soon. >> >> Franta > > What is wrong with systemd? This project needs some more attention from > developers but why do you think that upstart is better? sysvinit is > becoming obsolete, now in 2012! Maybe Fedora developers should make some > tweaks in systemd but I really like this project. Systemd should be default init as early as in Fedora 14 - and soon will be released Fedora 17 and here are still lot of problems and Bugzilla is full of them. Yes, I hope too that evolve to something useful and mainly stable - because I need work on Linux PC, not endlessly debug it. And regards sysvinit - why should be obsolete? Its history is long - but because did his work perfectly and was absolutely stable - and this is important now as well. Personally, systemd may have some benefit on desktops, but at servers, small and embedded devices is perhaps overkill. At my i686 system i see systemd use 12MB/8.2MB virtual/resident memory - only several services (clamd, apache, bind, slapd) has bigger memory consumption. And sysvinit on Fedora 5 i686 use only 2MB/0.6MB virtual/resident memory - and system is for years rock stable and does all what is needed. And is completely insensitive for me, if this system will boot by several seconds faster or not - system/vga/RAID bioses on it initializes much longer than Linux start. And another things, important from administrative aspect: syntax for old sysvinit scripts is far simpler, flexible and ergomomical in comparison with systemctl syntax. But back to $SUBJ - i personally hope that "Mea_culpes" in Fedora we have with F15/16 just away and in future there will be fewer such unbaked and buggy projects. (Yeah, I remember yet as I tried sssd in Fedora14 - after several months with locks, memory/descriptor/whatsever leaks I finally wiped it;). Franta -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
