Am 10.02.2012 16:14, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> you are a simple desktop-user with your stuff >> in /home, if you are develop software and >> integrate workflows in a system for managment >> and so on /home does not interest you much > > I don't understand this. > Do you mean you don't have a separate /home partition? > Don't you get any email? > (I keep my email in ~/Maildir/ on my server.) on a webserver? no! i mean that /home and the datadrive at all is the smallest problem, configurations and well thought and over years polished automation are the things which are the hard work >>>> a scripted dist-upgrade for 20 servers with yum takes around >>>> two hours (proveable by logs) inlcuding download from local >>>> repo-cache >>> >>> What is the script? >>> It seems to me it would have to be pretty complicated. >>> I certainly wouldn't trust any script I wrote to do this. >> >> * prepare the dist-upgrade >> * test it with snapshots >> * rebuild weak packages (missing unit-files, dependencie problems..) >> * build up an internal repo >> * have all machines ONLY this repo as source >> * have all machines cloned from the same master >> * have all machines exepct the repo-cache never seen external repos > > This illustrates the difference between us. > It would take me at least 2 days to do the above, not 2 hours. > And when I had done it I would have zero confidence it would work. > In fact I would put money on it not working. and i put money that it works if i do it because i am there since because i did this six times and it worked form the first time perfectly, it is well proven that it works and i am responsible for more than 500 domains and all sort of services you can imagine but this is the differnce between me and many developers out there - i know my respsonibility for the things i do and and do never release half baken things to my users and yes, i am developer too maintaning a whole cms-system with > 200 instances on the mainserver and this does alos get DAILY updates with one click as rolling release and if i change things needing config-changes i am responsible to prepare this and i do this since nearly ten years with no mistake producing more than a handfull php-warnings while error_reoprting E_ALL + E_STRICT + E_DEPRECATED is active on ALL machines so there is a differnece how pepole act and seeing how fedora currently acts makes people like me simply sad and angry _____________________________________ yes it takes 2 days to prepare but it takes me two days for every single machine reinstall it and restore all sort of configurations, scripts, cronjobs so with 20 machines it would take me around 40 days resinstall them, so it takes me two days upgrade them all, having in mind that each dist-upgrade would take 40 days this would take at least 80 days each year for fresh installs - unacceptable 4 days for two distupgrades are nothing AND the infrastructure is growable! it does not bother me if i have 20, 30 or 40 servers they can be all maintained the same way, there are perfectly wroking scripts on the admin-machine to start each sort of commands / scripts on the production hosts to deploy and maintain anything but this does only work as long fedora is not destroying the distribution slowly
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