Here's why Fedora 16 isn't ready for prime time. Many of these have been BZ'd, without effect. - I won't even discuss the gnome3 controversy. I've used xfce for many years and am very happy with it. - The worst aspect of Fedora 16 is it has made computing a stochastic process. Instead of the rock-solid behaviour of previous releases, Fedora 16 behaves randomly. - On two laptops with encrypted disks, when booting, one asks for the passphrase once; the other twice. The second request can only be seen if rhgb is removed from the kernel boot line, and you watch the systemd spewage carefully. - The command 'reboot' typed in an X terminal emulator, sometimes works; but often hangs the machine, requiring pressing reset. - Shutdown takes much too long, and often fails completely, like reboot. This is quite annoying, especially with laptops. - The 'df' command has been rendered nearly useless due to the voluminous extraneous output. - The mount command, which was once useful, isn't any more. It's simply unreadable. - The systemd system has replaced the simple and easily understood sysv init system with a jumbled mess. The output during boot is scrambled and the terminology is grossly verbose and confusing. It may be a tiny bit quicker to boot on a multicore machine, but the loss of comprehensibility and reliability is much too high a price. - The systemd alternative to editing /etc/inittab with runlevel = 3 is grotesque. - /var/log/boot.log is empty, sometimes. When it is written, it contains no dates. - If 'startxfce4' is used at a console prompt to start an xfce session, root windows have $DISPLAY undefined, and cannot run privileged programs. Critical tabs in various windows (shutdown, nm-applet editing, etc.) are greyed out. A workaround is to create $HOME/.xinitrc with this cryptic line: ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session startxfce4 and then use 'startx', as if starting gnome. :-( - grub2 fails to correctly initialize /boot/grub2/grub.cnf when older kernel objects are present in /boot, and alternate root partitions exist. - grub2 sometimes sets the default kernel to an older one; sometimes to the newest one. - Changing UID's to start at 1000 instead of 500 is just annoying. - The latest kernel, 3.1.7-1.fc16.x86_64, causes skype to crash unless it is run with strace, in which case it fails to fail. Go figure! - With earlier kernels, skype was merely unreliable, sometimes with no microphone, sometimes no sound, sometimes no video. The popup that announces an incoming call fails to appear - sometimes. Despite its non-open status, skype is a critical utility. Some way must be found to support it so it is reliable. Making changes to the kernel that destroy it is not acceptable. - Some programs fail at random, unpredictible and unrepeatable times. Qtstalker occasionally simply stops working. It's window can be deleted, but a zombie remains. - Systemd doesn't know how to tell time. During boot, time is off by 4 hours, then is fixed when ntp gets going. Perhaps as a result, sometimes, not always, X starts with a screensaver. It's random! - The cups print system can no longer print full Legal size pages. The print space is shifted upward and truncated. - The /etc/rc.d/rc.local file has been deleted. It can be recreated, but you must know to start it with #!/bin/sh and make it executable. Why not simply retain a properly constructed dummy? - gkrellm -s remotesys often quits without reason. Then, sometimes, it cannot be restarted without rebooting remotesys. More randomness. - When xfce is restarted, the session manager restarts gkrellm windows with the bottom section truncated - sometimes. Another randomness. The full length can be restored by manually running the Configuration popup and changing some item, then changing it back. - The session manager for xfce seems unable to restart roxterm windows, but can handle xterm's fine. Why? - On one laptop the NumLock will sometimes turn itself on. This can be annoying if a password must be typed. - On one machine, the password had be typed quickly in a console. The root password was too hard to type to meet that requirement. However, if it was entered by cut-and-paste, it was OK. In X, there was no problem. - On one machine (of seven) the CD drawer pops open at random times. - An older nvidia NV18 GeForce4 MX 440 card requires the earlier version of the nvidia driver - which is no longer supported. The nouveau driver doesn't work nearly as well. A perfectly functional video card is rendered disfunctional. - Libreoffice insists on making files inaccessible via nfs. A workaround is to edit /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice to comment out these two lines: ## SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1 ## export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING but this must be redone whenever a new update comes along. - The rt2500usb driver for my DLink USB wireless transceiver won't work reliably unless I disable power management with: iwconfig wlan0 power off However, trying to do this automatically in a control file, /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/16-power only works sometimes. Another puzzling and annoying randomness. - A directory, ~/.gvfs, cannot be read even by root. This should be impossible in a sane Linux system. This unacceptable behaviour can be expunged by removing the gvfs-fuse package, which takes with it the shotwell, totem, and totem-nautilus packages. So far, I haven't noticed any loss of functionality. - The microphone on one machine (but not others) wouldn't work until I added a cryptic line to the beginning of /etc/modprobe.d/dist-alsa.conf: options snd-hda-intel model=auto - Fedora 16 simply cannot be used with mythtv. It refuses to detect any of my three TV receiver cards. - The mythfrontend program wouldn't start on a remote machine until I, cryptically, removed ~/.ICEAuthority. I have no idea what this is all about. - Firefox can be configured to print a header and footer to record the URL, etc. However, the cups printers refuse to print it, truncating this useful info. - My son, after reviewing this list, adds some more: Pnmixer fails to start roughly 1/3 of the time - meaning no sound - in XFCE4. (I don't have pnmixer installed, so cannot confirm.) - Login and logout can take a variable length of time - from roughly one second to roughly one minute - for no apparent reason. So far this happens only on a newly built machine. - The problem of gkrellm not properly redrawing on restart may have been fixed. We'll see... IT'S RANDOM!!! -- David A. De Graaf DATIX, Inc. Hendersonville, NC dad@xxxxxxxx www.datix.us -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org