Good news: I borrowed my sister's (PS2) keyboard, put it on my desktop and tried it. It worked. I booted directly into a CLI and posted my xorg.conf at http://www.zeff.us/xorg.conf and looked at .xsession-errors, but saw nothing obviously wrong. Startx worked, but got me into what looks like a Gnome 3 session, not XFCE. That's not a big problem, except that I had trouble finding some of the things I needed and and to use ^Alt-Backspace to kill X. I'll be busy Sunday, but will get another keyboard Monday. Once I've done that, I'll try such things as posting the GDM log (Where was it again?) and other stuff. BTW, how do I turn the ssh daemon back on in F16 because it can come in handy. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org