Fedora-list: Since fc5, I have always downloaded an iso of the full image of Fedora w/ Gnome. Given the emails on f15 and now f16, I am interested in looking at alternatives to Gnome. After much clicking through the Fedora site, it appears to me that only f16 w/ Gnome has a direct download DVD, all the others are spins which only offer Live or BitTorrent versions (this may be incorrect as I have no idea whether BitTorrent provides a full image DVD or just a Live). The reason I ask is that I have never had any luck with Live images and prefer to install a new release of Fedora as a fresh install and not an update ... and really like having media that has the release on it and not a media that I still need to download more stuff to get the release. Hopefully someone will politely tell me this is a dumb question and I just missed something obvious; otherwise, I will assume that I have to do kde, xfce, lxde, etc via Live. Thanks in advance, Paul -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines