Maciek Borzecki <maciek.borzecki <at> gmail.com> writes: > ... Dear trolls (yes, I address it to you as well), get out from under your bridge (happy turkey, btw) and read this: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20111121&mode=67 ... 7 • gnome and unity (by Thomas on 2011-11-21 11:22:56 GMT from Germany) ... 39 • DE's and Linux (by rob on 2011-11-21 19:55:46 GMT from United States) ... 45 • Heading back to WIndows - sadly (by Michael on 2011-11-21 21:52:33 GMT from Germany) ... 52 • Re: #46, Caitlyn (by Michael on 2011-11-21 22:41:32 GMT from Germany) ... 57 • Red Hat (by Jesse on 2011-11-22 00:52:04 GMT from Canada) ... Now, let me comment on this once again. RH and RH-controlled Fedora constitute a flawed products offering model. RHEL/CentOS/SL are good for "install-and-forget" operation; they are not good for "stay-current-and-reasonably-stable" operation mainly due to too old kernel, but also for some users due to too old apps. Fedora is a test system distro, by everybody's admission; this is also amplified by misguided handling of the *default* choice of DE, which is that RH-influenced disaster called GNOME 3. The above mentioned stats (see other thread) reflect that; that they show almost half of Fedora sites migrated to other distros/OSs is not so surprsising considering its "test system OS" state, but that a similar size flight affected RH products confirms exactly what I say about the flawed products offering model. Clearly, there is a need for a RH-base distro product that would fill in the void with a more current kernel AND reasonably stable base and user apps. The current combo of RH products and Fedora does not fit into reality of users expectations. As you see, apparently there is also an issue of quality of service. The so called "smart money" has already left, the other half of the herd is running towards the cliff, making themselves irrelevant as a product (Fedora). That's why I said it here and in the other (stats) thread it is time to blink and reconstitute RH-controlled Fedora project for the new goal. Yes, it is time to catch up with reality. JB -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines