> You're sure about that? What evidence do you offer? Can you point to > auto-scrub code paths in all the library APIs for freeing memory? We actually don't wipe memory on free, but on allocate. That has performance wins. Some user space does go to the trouble of wiping things like crypto keys once they are used, as does some kernel bits. Linux has *no* memory allocator for userspace from the kernel. It has mmap which maps in an object from the file system and sbrk() which is these days implemented in terms of mmap. What these actually do effectively is allocate address space, and we have a /dev/zero which is an infinite supply of mappings of a single kernel page that contains only zero. So the actual process becomes I need 1MB mmap /dev/zero for 1MB We get 1MB of page tables pointing to the *same* page of zero At this point our 1MB takes up 4K (plus page tables). When you write to it for the first time the page you write to is copied and updated with the new data ("copy on write") and now has its own actual data. This is a good deal more efficient. > Rather than merely imply that such threat models are beyond the scope > of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to refer the OP to a wiki article on > the subject, or to the dev list if there is no wiki article? The usual threat models for not clearing memory are the fact things like keys may hang around longer. But they may also have hit swap so really for most uses the concern is crypted swap and use of hibernate in preference to suspend. If you leave someone with physical access to a PC you lost already however, as they can trojan the BIOS and the like ready for the next boot. The Linux kernel may move to zeroing user pages at free, at least in some circumstances. The reason for this isn't however security but virtual machines. Right now KVM with a Linux guest cannot tell properly if chunks of pages of free user data are relevant so it must preserve them. If they are zeroed on free then the ksm background scan which finds identical pages in and between guests and turns them into one mapping will be able to take all the freed user pages and turn them back into a single page of real physical host memory. Alan -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines