On 10/10/2011 11:54 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/11/2011 12:13 AM, JD wrote: > >> Preupgrade is not a single operation solution. The >> user is expected to know several complex operations >> and execute them in right order. > Nonsense. It is a point and click gui. > >> A yum upgrade script would be a single point solution >> that a user could run. If problems, then user could report >> the results, along with a log file that a script could leave >> behind. That is a very desirable solution for all non-techies >> and newbs. > I still cannot see you explaining what exactly is the problem a script > is supposed to solve. Unless you have a good problem statement, you > have zero scope of a solution. > > Rahul Rahul, I tried preupgrade. I tried upgrade via DVD. I tried upgrade via yum according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum All of them failed to upgrade the system to full F16. Upgrading via all these methods left hundreds of F14 packages in place, even though they were installed via yum update from fedora updates repository, for which F16 updates were indeed identified by yum, but at the same time yum would then say "Not found". I had taken care to disable other repo files, such as rpmfusion, adobe, google, skype, atrpms so as not to get a whole bunch of errors unrelated to upgrading from fedora repos. So, if upgrading is such a complex and trouble prone operation, what should an ambassador's message to the world be regarding this issue? That it can be done but it is fraught with problems and dangers of rendering your system unreliable at best, and (in my case) leaves you with a corrupted rpm database and unable to login via the gnome login screen? I believe you and other fedora developers, and protagonists can and should do better to produce such a script/utility. As a side note: I also run several systems with various versions of windows - all of them have many third party software (kind of akin to fedora users installing form other rpm repos like fedorafusion and atrpms) - I have never run into such show stopper upgrade problems with these systems. Almost every upgrade failure was due to an undetected malware, or a disk having become marginal. Pls. do not misconstrue this. I am not trying to pit us against them. I am only saying that upgrading should be a completely trouble free operation, and that Fedora devs can indeed fix this problem via a script or even as you say, a point and click solution, which in it's current incarnation, does not work. Regards, JD -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
