[snip long rants] The "customers" of Fedora are the users. If you irritate or frustrate your users, especially if the cost is $0 to move to something else, you WILL lose market share and hence mind share. Additional data points that might add to the flames: 1) I have a co-worker new to Linux. He tried F15 and hated it, then went back to F14. I believe WinXP/Vista/7 users trying Linux for the first time ARE confused by F15/Gnome3. 2) Other friends/co-workers have moved to Ubuntu for their desktop and only use RHEL/CentOS for servers (No Fedora). 3) It took me hours to get my F15 laptop sane including finding obscure settings to turn on the minimize in windows, and a working printer configuration application. These are the reasons why only one of my Linux-based laptops/netbooks/desktops is F15 and the rest are F14 or Ubuntu. I hope to try Fedora 16 alpha soon. I hope that most of the major objections to Gnome 3 in F15 have been addressed and that developers have listened to the complaints. I plan to remain a loyal Fedora user as I have used RHL & Fedora since about RHL 2 or 3 circa 1995 (and Slackware before that). Open source is GREAT, but developers must remember that the cost (time and $) to move from one version to another is very low.... Cheers, -- Wade Hampton -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines