This morning I decided to try the various desktop environments available to me, just to see how I react to each. Now nothing I am going to say is designed to knock any particular environment. By now everyone knows I have a number of complaints about Gnome 3. So this morning I tried to get around in LXDE and KDE. I found I quickly got lost in both. In LXDE I could not get LXTerm (I think that its name) to be anything but transparent, rather than black letters on a white background. I could never get any of the Background Images displayed in the Background program to actually appear as backgrounds. I managed to put Xterm in the Application menu but I could not get it as an option in a panel. The way to shut down was fairly well hidden. In KDE I also had problems. I could not find a way to get a Home filesystem displayed so I could find a file I wanted to edit. I could not get Rhythmbox to play . I had to use KsCD. Just now I found the FileManagwer so scratch that problem. Once I found the FileManager I found how to eject the Disk. A process that had eluded me for awhile. Logging out and shutting down under Leave is as cute as the Gnome having those options under the user name (+ Alt key), and equally obscure for the first time user. My point is all these DEs have things you can do which are hard to find for the first time user. I may admit that Gnome 3 may be the most obscure but not by much. In each case, some time must be spent initially to figure out how to do things. -- ======================================================================= The shortest distance between any two puns is a straight line. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines