On 08/11/2011 04:54 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > I appreciate Rick thinking to mention /etc/resolv.conf. I tend to > forget it, especially since Fedora currently does so much (partial) > hand-holding with the network setup widgets. > > (Reindl is going to complain about my monologues again here, I'm afraid.) > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:02 PM, François Patte > <francois.patte@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Le 11/08/2011 00:16, Rick Stevens a écrit : >> >>> >>> Have a look at your /etc/resolv.conf and make sure it's not adding a >>> domain to your lookups via a "search home" or somesuch. >> >> Yes it does: >> >> domain home >> search home >> nameserver 192.168.1.1 >> >> OK. Now I understand (except why cups escape this...) > > Have you considered specifying an actual domain for your machine? > > In an ideal world, ISPs would provide a default domain and hostname > the user could optionally use, complete with dns resolution, to allow > the user to set up a proper FQDN for their hosts (should they so > desire). > > For example, famousisp.com should provide new user newuser7734 with > the right to use a name like newuser7734.rosegarden22.famousisp.net, > and the setup option to have the IP address he is (possibly > dynamically) assigned resolve to that address through the ISP's domain > name services. > > Then newuser7734 could have its domain set to > rosegarden22.famousisp.net, and /etc/resolv.conf could have the FQDN > in it and various things that fail in different ways when they can't > figure out what the machine thinks its name is would quit failing. > > Without the FQDN, in my opinion, the ISPs are not really providing an > essential part of the package. > > They don't provide it, which gives certain large vendors of > proprietary OSses the opening to do stupid things that mess the net up > for the rest of us, but also allows gratis dynamic dns services like > dyndns.com and no-ip.com a foothold. > > I finally got frustrated with the clunkiness of working on a host that > can't resolve itself and signed up with a dynamic dns provider. dyndns > allowed me to choose reiisi as a subdomain of homedns.org, so I use > that and it solves a lot of problems for me. (I should be willing to > pay something like USD 15 a year to get them to enable resolution of > *.reiisi.homedns.org, but I'm too cheap so far.) > > Anyway, it is possible to get the rights to use an FQDN, and it may be worth it. There is a reason for this, Joel. Most ISPs that deal with home users use a loop polling mechanism to pick up data from end users and ship it to the internet. It's not like a normal network connection. They're optimized for "minimal upload, maximum download". This is what aDSL does as well (and where the "asymmetric" bit comes in). I use Time Warner cable at home myself, and I can always tell when they oversubscribe the loop (and yes, it happens). If an ISP offers DNS support of FQDNs, then they're opening the door for people to set up websites, chat servers, mail servers, gaming sites and the like at home--and the network is NOT designed to do that. A website generally has minimal incoming traffic and maximal outgoing traffic. This is exactly opposite of what a typical home web surfer does. ISPs which offered that "feature" ended up with a lot of their clients abusing it in the manner I mention above. The bandwidth usage went way up, response time for their normal users went through the roof since the polling loop was flooded with outgoing traffic and it left a horrible taste in many mouths. When the ISPs started tightening things down, the abusers complained loudly and decimated the reputation of a lot of the ISPs. This is one reason @home.com died (well, that and giving franchises to people who had no idea how to run an ISP). If you want full bidirectional speed, FQDNs and the lot, most ISPs offer a "business class" (for more money, of course). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks@xxxxxxxx - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - "If you can't fix it...duct tape it!" -- Tim Allen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
