Re: Progress?

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On 1 August 2011 17:52, Stuart McGraw <smcg4191@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 08/01/2011 03:31 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 04:14, Gilboa Davara <gilboad@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gilboad@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     ... Because if you were actually trying to be constructive, oh man, you
>>     chose the wrong way to do it.
>>
>>
>> I always applaud civilized and well-argumented rants. They are good lists of annoyances (real or perceived) from end users, and people on the list end up learning one thing or another as part of the exchange of opinions.
>
> I agree.  I always thought it sad and counter-productive
> that user complaints are not more welcomed as indicators
> of where developers' view users' needs and users' view of
> same, differ.  But I suppose that is ignoring the reality
> of human nature and the desire to do what one wants, free
> of critisism.
>

Possibly the key phrase there is "well argued". I didn't see any
arguments, just a list of wishes. None of which I particularly
empathise with in relation to F15. (I've have my problems with F15,
but none of those.) As others have said the last two:
* Give us back the assurance of never having to reboot.

* Give us back the legendary reliability that was the hallmark of
Linux and Fedora.

Are simply misleading anyway.

> If complaints were less suppressed here, maybe the situation
> could even be turned into a positive...Fedora could perhaps

Constructive criticism and suggestions are far more useful than just
enumerating grievances. Many of the items originally listed were bugs,
but I don't see bugzilla ids next to them. In any case, this complaint
is hardly suppressed, it's been posted to everyone on the users list,
is in the archive, will sit in my email account till I finally run out
of server space and has generated about a dozen responses.

> raise some funds by selling "I survived Fedora-15 T-shirts".

Will they be available in the UK? ;)

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