I don't know if it is yum, the package group definitions or the package dependencies that are wrong - but no matter who is to blame - the result is definitely not intuitive (or imho correct)... After being hit by a fatal error in preupgrade, I am now unable to re-run the upgrade because of low memory[1][2]. To recover memory[3] I have tried to remove some package groups - but the results are most surprising (and quite useless). Below are a few examples: # yum -C groupremove "Dial-up Networking Support" Is removing "ppp" - and NetworkManager for dependencies: ---------------------- Removing: ppp i686 2.4.5-12.fc14 @updates 752 k Removing for dependencies: NetworkManager i686 1:0.8.4-1.fc14 @updates 5.5 M NetworkManager-gnome i686 1:0.8.4-1.fc14 @updates 1.5 M NetworkManager-openvpn i686 1:0.8.1-1.fc14 @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201010211 NetworkManager-vpnc i686 1:0.8.1-1.fc14 @anaconda-InstallationRepo-201010211 ---------------------- NetworkManager is part of (installed) "System Tools" group - not dial-up modem so why does it even consider to remove it? # yum -C groupremove "Electronic Lab" * Is (correctly) removing "drawtiming" and "openocd" * surprisingly also "eclipse*" and "xorg-x11-fonts*" and "xscreensaver*" for dependencies(!!) eclipse was installed with "Fedora Eclipse" group. # yum -C groupremove "Text-based Internet" * Unsurprisingly suggest removing: bittorrent, cadaver, elinks, fetchmail, ... * But for dependencies: docbook-utils*, evolution-data-server-devel, gnome-*-devel, libgnome*-devel, gtk-doc, xulrunner-devel(!) I wonder how all the gnome development lib dependencies popped up here... # yum -C groupremove "Java Development" * Unsurprisingly suggest to remove a lot of java development stuff. * But quite surprising for dependencies also eclipse* and openoffice.org-base* - for example: eclipse-cdt, eclipse-oprofile, eclipse-systemtapgui eclipse-linuxprofilingframework, ... Notice - this is not the "Java" group - in which case the eclipse and ooo-base stuff would have been fine. and my favorite: # yum -C remove wine ======================================================================== Removing: wine i686 1.3.19-1.fc14 @updates 0.0 Transaction Summary ======================================================================== Remove 1 Package(s) Installed size: 0 I guess I just have to reinstall the system.... BR, Klaus [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712750 [2] the system is low on memory because a lot of packages are duplicated in fc14 and fc15 versions. [3] I tried to run "yum history undo last-1" - but that wanted to download and reinstall 700MB worth of packages(!) -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines