On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 09:02:17AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/08/2011 08:49 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > > I also use avant-window-manager to add a mac-like dock to the bottom of > > my screen to hold application launchers and icons for open applications. > > Is it just me, or does anybody else feel that it's Just Wrong to have to > install third-party addons to give Gnome 3 the same functionality that > Gnome 2 had? I can accept (but not understand) their decision that > these things shouldn't be there by default, but why not make them an > option? Please, no flames; I'm not trying to restart that argument, > just making an observation. Well clearly the Gnome developers don't want to maintain the prior behavior. As a programmer, I can't blame them, or not much. but as a user, I find it to be akin to yanking the rug out from under. I'm hoping I don't come across as ranting here, I'm just trying to show some of the frustrations with such a massive change. I've spent only a little time messing with Gnome 3/F15, but I admit I found it frustrating. I've run Fedora on my eeepc (901) since F10, and it is now running F14. I've been playing with other fedora spins, and one or two other distros to see if I can find one I like enough, and with which I am sufficiently comfortable, to use instead of stock fedora/gnome. I've got f15 LXDE on one system and while it works, I'm not entirely comfortable with it. perhaps I've just not spent enough time. I've tested Bodhi on my eeepc (via an external usb hard drive installation) and while it seems to run very well, I'm finding the UI presented by Enlightenment to be not intuitive to my old, tired, gnome2-oriented brain. (not to mention, the different world-view of a debian/ubuntu-derived system. E.g., why are there four or five different tools for updating the system/installing packages? the man pages don't seem to give clear reasons for the multiplicity, or maybe I've just not looked hard enough.) I will stick with F14 until one of: 1) it goes unsupported, or 2) I find something else I like well enough to switch, and that probably won't be gnome 3. I've toyed with F15/KDE via live CD, but it's been many years since I've run a KDE system and I find that I also am not entirely comfortable with the changes in KDE either. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------- "For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." ----------------------------- Jude 1:24,25 (niv) ----------------------------- -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines