In short, there are some teething issues, but nothing that shouldn't be able to be worked around. First of all, the basics for my system. CPU: Intel P4 at 2.60 GHz Memory: 1.5 GB RDR ram Disk: 120 GB IDE ext 3 Graphics: NVidia 7600 GS overclocked Driver: NVidia 275.09 from NVidia (beta) Display: Samsung SyncMaster 1680x1050 The good: Preupgrade worked without having to depend on a wired connection. Preupgrade correctly found enough space on /boot. All custom settings were retained. This is pretty amazing since this system has not had a fresh system install since Fedora 9. The expected: I had to use Ctrl-Alt-F3 to get to command line mode to install the NVidia driver. The long: With 3075 packages to upgrade, this process took a little over 6 hours. The bad: The timezone seems to have gotten borked. Both KDE and Gnome time setting tools were unable to change this in a persistent way. I had to use /usr/bin/system-config-date to make the persistent change. It looks like the Cairo buggy gradient patch has been removed. This results in poor performance for those people running NVidia cards with the NVidia blob for some operations. Performance issues with GTKPerf. While most operations are slightly faster, the GtkTextView - Add text operation is three times slower. The system appears to use more memory than Fedora 14. I suppose this is due to Gnome 3. I will have to make some detailed notes at a later point. Several minor SELinux issues. Bugs concerning ones with Fedora-only components have been filed. mysql_auth is missing a symbol, preventing HTTPD from starting if this module is configured. I have commented it out for now, and will submit a bug with the exact information later. KPackageKit and yum don't seem to be in sync. Checking for updates with KPackageKit produces no updates, while checking via the yum command line lists updates. Also, updates are listed twice when running yum from the command line. For example: ---> Package parted.i686 0:2.3-8.fc15 will be updated ---> Package parted.i686 0:2.3-9.fc15 will be an updated The ugly: Boot messages are less clear, slowing down the ability to catch boot-time errors. I had to diagnose the Apache HTTPD problem by running /usr/sbin/apachectl start|stop and watching the console for errors. Fonts are a mess (again). Even including 10-autohint.conf doesn't help. I will have to redo my ~/.fonts.conf again to get fonts clear, clean, and crisp. Fonts in Emacs (actually since late Fedora 14) are a mess. In order to reduce artifacts, I have to use 14 pt. Courier New. Of course, this means I can edit documents from across the room. Lots of .xsession-errors entries due to what looks like race conditions in KDE. This could be due to the beta driver. However, the beta driver seems to have smoother performance than the released 270.41.19 driver. Gnome 3 is pretty much unusable with custom fonts. I will spend time resetting the fonts to default, then seeing if I can clean up the theme. This is pretty low on a list of things to do, since Gnome 3 does not seem to fit my workflow (lots of different applications, workspaces dedicated to tasks). . . . . just my two cents. /mde/ -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines