On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The > failure appears to occur during the kernel start up and Fedora 15 has a > newer kernel, for Live CD, install DVD, and actual installation, and all > fail appear to fail during kernel start up. Perhaps after Fedora 15 has > the next kernel update another install will work. The only scenario that I can imagine, where this kind of thing would be possible (F14 working cleanly, F15 failing completely), would be some change in the kernel (that goes with F15) which doesn't handle some obscure piece of hardware or combination of pieces, that only a small percentage of people might have (ie. only you). I remember from one of your previous posts that you have a SCSI controller and some device attached in your machine (it was also visible in your smolt profile, IIRC). What is that and what do you have attached there? I can suggest the following. Disconnect the SCSI device and try the F15 Live KDE. Does it work? If not, please send some info on where and how it stops (take a picture of the screen, write down what you see on a paper and retype in an e-mail, whatever). Continue disconnecting all unnecessary hardware. The only thing you *need* in a machine is memory, one hard disk, one CD/DVD drive and a video card (and obvious stuff --- a motherboard, processor, power supply, keyboard and monitor). Remove everything else, and try to boot the F15 Live KDE. If it still doesn't work, it is either a BIOS problem or your hardware is somehow broken in some very weird way (which I doubt, since F14 manages to work). You may want to try resetting the BIOS to the default/failsafe values, to see if that helps. If at any step you manage to boot cleanly into the F15 Live KDE, install it on the hard disk, reboot into it, do a yum update to fetch all the updates, and then start reconnecting other devices one by one. If the system stops booting at any point, you have found the culprit. If your system keeps working after you have reattached everything, most probably the updates fixed whatever the problem was. A very important point --- *please* send us *detailed* information on where, how and what fails to work. If you don't have the technical skills to explain the details yourself, take a photo of a screen with a failed boot attempt, and post it. You can use a camera built into your mobile phone (or ask a friend for one), and you can use a working F14 to put it online. The boot procedure of a Linux system is very complicated, and it can fail in many different ways. If you just say "it doesn't work", noone on this list can even begin to guess what might be wrong. At the very least you can tell us what was the final message written on the screen after which the system froze or self-restarted. And a social note. As you have seen --- bitching that something doesn't work, not providing detailed info, and posting general advice to people to stay away from F15 because it doesn't boot on your system --- will only provoke other people on this list to label you as a troll and give up on helping you. This is a Bad Idea(tm), since you've already driven away most of the knowlegeable people with that kind of behavior. If you want to ask for help to solve some problem, be polite and cooperative. If you want to vent and bitch that something doesn't work as you expect, and give advice to others to stay away from something, make a blog and post there, instead of posting on this list. This is a "please help me solve a problem"-type list, and "I have a lousy experience and a bad opinion"-type posts are not accepted well and rather belong on your personal blog. HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
