On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 17:44 -0700, JD wrote: > On 05/31/11 16:25, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > > Sorry to say this, but after some of the jaded comments you've made in > > the past I don't hold you in high regard. > I have been seeing a lot of complaints about F15. > This tells me that this release was made in too much > of a hurry (only ~6 months after release of F14 around > near mid Nov. 2010). And that's different from the release period of 6 months from F13 to F14 how? Or F12 to F13?? Fedora is _not_ production ready. It was NEVER made to be a reliable and tested platform. It's where we live up to true open source, release often and release early. We identify the issues and work on making the software better. WE here means community - it means working together. Us that are not code contributors need to help out too. By testing, reporting our findings (not "it doesn't work" but REAL debug information); help provide documentation and in other ways help improve the quality. And you're totally right - by the time we catch up, it's time to move on. That's the nature of Fedora. We don't have a LTS of Fedora - unless you consider RHEL Workstation as such (and I don't). But as you may know, a lot of the cool NEW stuff isn't part of that distribution for the reasons I just mentioned. You can't have it both ways. Stable and tested software is not state of the art. And it takes quite a bit of resources to keep a supported LTS around and Fedora choose not to go that way. > Seems to me not enough testing was done before release. > Let's hope F16 will be more solid. There never is enough time. And that's on purpose. The release itself should be considered a QA candidate all the way to EOL. Each release builds up experience to improve the next. Each Fedora release is supported by updates for 13-some months. You do not HAVE to go directly to F15 right when it's released. It's your choice to stay on F14 for another 6-7 months - and you'll still get updates and you can still help making things better by providing feedback and fix issues on that version. It'll all help to improve F16. F16 will be better, but don't expect F16 to do things differently than things were done for F14 or F15 (or earlier). It's still going to be bleeding edge, and you'll be chancing your system failing by using it. Of course as we learn about Fedora and Linux most of us are able to diagnose (with or without community help) and find solutions or work-arounds to problems allowing us to use Fedora as our permanent desktops. But not without expecting a hickup now and then (particular on "upgrade day"). -- Best Regards Peter Larsen Wise words of the day: Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste -- ksh@xxxxxxxxxxx put this on Tshirts in '93
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