On 10/15/2010 07:24 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 10/15/10 3:48 PM, JD wrote: >> On 10/15/2010 11:23 AM, James McKenzie wrote: >>> On 10/15/10 10:52 AM, Terry Polzin wrote: >>>> On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 13:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>>>> On 10/14/10 5:10 PM, Tom H wrote: >>>>>> The list info on >>>>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users states that >>>>>> "this list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice >>>>>> for Fedora users" without specifying a release version, however the >>>>>> developers would probably appreciate knowing about an F14 problem >>>>>> throughhttp://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test (for example). >>>>>> -- >>>>> IMHO F14 is not a Fedora version, given that it hasn't been released >>>>> yet. Same with Rawhide. >>>>> >>>>> poc >>>> There IS a fedora test list. >>> True, for both POC and you. However, guys coming down on someone like >>> they are a nail and you are a hammer is not very good for FC public >>> relations and sometimes does not get the 'job done.' >>> >>> It just might be good to know what did not work with the beta when the >>> GA comes down and we experience the same problem in this list. Such >>> information should not be placed into a vacuum or list that gets wiped >>> for each FC 'version'. >>> >>> And Rawhide is a Fedora 'version' as is 14, but they have their own list >>> for now and brokenness and other issues SHOULD go to them. >>> >>> James McKenzie >>> >> James, you can't play the peacemaker and be on the side >> that is clearly WRONG!!! > Maybe in your eyes, but there is the golden rule of use of mailing > lists: Post only that is pertinent to the appropriate mailing list. If > there is a mailing list for a particular function, that is where the > post SHOULD go. Just because the Fedora User mailing list looks like a > garbage can does not mean it should be. If there is a test version > question, that is where the question should go. It has been stated that > the Fedora developers do not lurk in this list and problems reported > here may or may not be corrected. This is what I call a disservice to > those who loaded up a test version to look at and report problems. >> Read my posts immediately prior to this one!! > I did. >> I have read all the guidelines of the list. If anything, they >> support and backup my statements. >> This is a general users list for anything "fedora" >> REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE >> DEDICATED LISTS OR FORUMS FOR THAT SPECIFIC >> FEDORA ISSUE. >> As I stated: for just about every issue posted here, >> there is a dedicated list or form. Are you going to tell >> every user to stop posting on this list and go to that >> dedicated list or forum? > No, I'm not. The best situation that I can show of off-topic but yet > on-topic postings is the question on Apache. This really needs to be > addressed in the Apache forums, but I did not jump on this person's > question and state that they had 'posted an off-topic message and to > take this elsewhere.' > >> If this were an actual rule of this list, this list would be >> empty! >> > Not necessarily. Again, we don't want this list to be a 'failure to > communicate' which is a real poor reflection on this project. Again, if > the problem involves problems with a test version, that is where the > question should go. The Fedora developers don't read this list (as far > as anyone here has stated, I would love to be incorrect in this.) > > The purpose of this list is for user support by other users and > sometimes, RedHat folks. Most of the answers I see here are from people > like you, a user and me, a user. We really cannot help folks fix > serious brokenness in a test build, and that is not what we are here > for. Correct me if I'm wrong. The same applies for RawHide, the high > rate of change version of Fedora. There are other lists for some of the > programs that are supplied by the Fedora project, but if it has to do > with Fedora it is allowed here. Again the emphasis is that users will > receive general help in most cases. There have been threads that > definitely were not Fedora oriented, but they were very lively and gave > out very good and helpful information. > > Posting messages relating to test versions are not usually tracked in a > general user forum/mailing list. This causes problems when there are > problems that this forum cannot answer. > > One thing that I'm not going to do, that others have done is jump on > folks that post here about FC 14 or Rawhide. I might give them a gentle > reminder that the assistance they will receive here will not be as high > quality nor have the authority of people in the other lists and then > direct them to the appropriate list where they should receive better > assistance. I will state again "You can draw more 'bees' with honey > than you ever can with vinegar" is a statement that I've found to work > time and time again. We don't need to crush folks because they posted > here, but rather be gentle with them. Can we ALL do this? Yes, I think > we can and more importantly, should. > > James McKenzie > Yeah yeah yeah... Find yourself something better to do! -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
