On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David Boles <dgboles@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote: >> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote: >>> >>> Well, we aren't talking about desktop vs netbook vs server but I guess >>> it's immaterial. >> >> Uh, good point. Sorry. More like Ubuntu vs Kubuntu etc. Mm. Please >> excuse my momentary burst of idiocy ... > > > SHUT UP! > > None of you was here when this was talked about? Since October? And now > you want to bitch becasue the site does NOT fit YOUR needs. REALLY! > > All of you (three? four? of you are unhappy and have attacked and > insulted the person that tried really hard to provide this site. > > SHUT UP! > > All of you have spent more effort and time bitching about this than you > did to help this person with this. > > Where were you four people the *MONTHS* that this was debated? And *NOW* > you want to bitch? > > You are joking? The Earth obits the Sun. Linux orbits and survives on > the work of the many. not you few. Those that bitch. > Let's see here. There are a *lot* of different communities around each component that can affect you. A short list of what a browser depends upon: w3c, gecko/webkit, qt/gtk, xlib/xcb, xorg, gcc, glibc, linux kernel. Are you subscribed to all of those lists and monitor them? One of them broke your browser. You say "We put out notices *months ago* and now you're complaining?" Well so can any of the communities mentioned above. At least by what you are stating here. So please count to 10, or maybe 20 and realize that there are many circles of people outside and within fedora that don't watch all other parts of the whole. It just wouldn't scale that way. My recommendation is after the designer SIG has hashed it over, attempt getting feedback from the intended audience, and that audience is the users list and then the general public. === Off topic: My personal view is that torrents should be the first option presented, and direct downloads from http or ftp should be moved to a secondary page. === Off topic2: IMO, introducing another operating system at the same time as introducing open source applications is a mistake. People are already changing habits enough by using a new app, adding another set of possible complications leads to the high probability that the app will get a negative association if something goes wrong. For this reason I've been watching for a OSS distro based on MS Windows that includes package management, updates, etc. Its sole purpose would be to build a critical mass of OSS app usage and findability (if a user knows about firefox, how are they going to know about inkscape, gimp and OOo?) so that people will easily be able to install the apps and then realize that every app they use is OSS, why keep around Windows? Let's face it, right now keeping even OSS 10 apps, working together, updated and integrated is a major task in of itself right now on windows. Disclaimer: I have no love for windows, but making life easier for people just starting with the apps can only grow the pool of OSS users and developers. === Off topic3: torrent download should be integrated into the update system (yum) with a fallback for when torrents fail -- if torrents are blocked by corporate firewalls for instance. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
