Am Samstag, den 20.03.2010, 01:30 -0400 schrieb Marcel Rieux: > For a while, I've been arguing with very knowledgeable people here > that there are way too many bugs in Fedora, I can only speak for myself or the packages I maintain, but IMO there are only a few bugs. In LXDE and Xfce we have many bugs fixed even before release that still affect other distributions. [snipped] > (1) The only option available in my Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P's BIOS > offering only options for entering passwords, for exemple. Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to tell us. What does your BIOS have to do with the OS? > (2) For instance, "New File" entering the clipboard every time a new > file is created. I cannot reproduce this bug here, could you explain a little more in detail? I created a new file in nautilus, thunar and pcmanfm and never had "New File" in my paste buffer. Do you have a cliboard manager running, preferably parcellite with the option to "synchronize clipboards"? If so, the behavior is correct: "New file" was the primary selection and is getting synced to the clipboard. > In Linux Weekly News, Mr Sorbet... err, make this Corbet, has written > a nonetheless delightful article on the matter of what is causing this > avalanche of bugs in so-called "stable" Fedora releases. First of all you need to understand that the term "stable" has nothing to do with "bug free". Stable in this context means that APIs don't change. > To me, the > sorbet of the whole article pretty much freezes down to this: Do you have and indications that any of the bugs you name are specific to Fedora or that the number of bugs in Fedora is higher than in other distributions so it is actually justified to speak of a "avalanche" [snipped] > And rightly so, since not breaking stable releases is the most > fundamental Fedora rule, as expressed here in the Stable release > update vision: > > "The update repositories for stable releases of the Fedora > distribution should provide our users with a consistent and high > quality stream of updates." The word "vision" indicates that it's somehing we strive for but not simething that is yet in place. The fact that we are not doing well in testing updates doesn't mean that we cannot do better. > If this is the Fedora's game, I'm wishing to play. Otherwise, I'll > move to Ubuntu If Fedora is going have less and better tested updates, you are going to switch to Ubuntu because Ubuntu has less updates? > or, as security is important to me, CentOS or > Scientific Linux, soon as RHEL 6 is released. What makes you think that CentOS cares more about security than Fedora? > So, one might ask, what will the contribution of non-geeks to Fedora > be? Well, as I said, I have a problem with my mobo. I also can't get > sound through HDMI to my TV. A recent update has made playing DVDs > impossible... except with Kplayer! (not KMplayer) Etc. I think the first contribution in your case is to file bugs, so we can actually look at your problems. Please try to be detailed as possible. > So, if there was a place where I could report those bugs without > registering to 10,000 different bugzillas and dealing with > don't-give-a-shit geeks, I certainly would fill them and would be more > than interested in trying packages in update-testing to see if the fix > works. Have you already registered at bugzilla.redhat.com? It's just one registration. Or have you already given feedback to an update in bodhi? You don't even need to register. Last but not least: Can you give us an example of developers not giving a shit? > But I'm certainly not interested in enabling update-testing > just to see if new stuff i don't need works, and possibly break my > system. Again you are contradicting yourself again. You say you want to test updates from testing... but you don't want to test them. Huh? And what prevents you from installing particular updates from updates testing instead of enabling it globally? I am convinced that I you invest the same amount of time into filing bug and testing updates as you put into writing mails on this list, it would surely help us to fix bugs and make Fedora a better distribution. Regards, Christoph -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
