On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 15:26 -0800, Russell Miller wrote: > > We are *not* irrelevant. I'm not, and neither is the OP, and the > attitude > that says we are is the *problem*. ---- #1 - mentioning Red Hat or the NYSE on a Fedora list is irrelevant. #2 - this is a community based distribution and the software, packaging, etc. is done by people who volunteer and the few people who are paid but they cannot do it all. Most of the software is actually developed by others, not related to Fedora, Red Hat or affiliated in any way. #3 - If your expectation is to get mature, supported software, that is what Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and there are others out there) is all about. Fedora clearly is 'leading edge' and not mature, not supported and not sold. Relevance is lending a hand to make things better. Bug reporting, submitting better documentation, helping others solve problems. I'm sorry that you had problems submitting bug reports but I can see that a typical user will have difficulty identifying which software is the problem and how to make a bug report but try reporting a bug to Apple or Microsoft or any other software company and tell me how well you make out. The fact is that open source software actually permits the users entry/access to the process and problem resolution paths but cannot ensure that the user actually understands his role. There are people who light candles and people who curse the darkness. Marcel is like a broken record - rehashing the same things he groused about last week as if yet another 2000 words on the same topics is going to be any less of a waste of electrons this week. But I didn't say that he was irrelevant or that everything he said was irrelevant. His rants are irrelevant. Yes, Fedora is imperfect... it's also an imperfect world. If he or anyone else needs help with a specific issue, they are almost always handled expeditiously. But if he or someone else wants to draw big picture issues, they should at least understand something about open source development, software packaging, the origins, the process, etc. Otherwise, they are irrelevant. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
