Hello, On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >>> Not really. It's a perfect example of bureaucracy gone mad. :-/ >> >> Why, how would you have done it? > > Requiring only one form? Normal, non-bureaucrat people hate filling out > forms, the less there is to fill out, the better! And if the forms cannot be > filled out by a human without software assistance, something is really, > really wrong! Not to mention the reliance on proprietary software, which is > totally inappropriate for a government office. This NIH grant application consists of forms about several separate aspects: the research plan, the time line, the budget etc. Usually, several people - researchers and administrators - work together to fill out the forms. Some of these forms are only needed or used in particular circumstances, for example, if one of the researchers need to document their visa status, or if a project depends on specific support from elsewhere. Merging all forms into one flat form does not seem very helpful to me. Software is in principle not necessary to fill out the forms, but it helps. It copies values from one place to another and checks whether what you entered makes sense. Without software support, you would have more work and higher chances of submitting an incorrect application. People have done such applications on paper in the past, though now NIH insists electronic submission. That NIH insists on using Adobe Reader is indeed disturbing. But then, what is the alternative to Adobe Reader, if free software apparently does not support the latest PDF? Take care Oliver -- Oliver Ruebenacker, Computational Cell Biologist Systems Biology Linker at Virtual Cell (http://vcell.org/sybil) Turning Knowledge Data into Models Center for Cell Analysis and Modeling http://www.oliver.curiousworld.org -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines