On Monday 14 December 2009, Rick Stevens wrote: >On 12/14/2009 10:30 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:11:25 -0500, >> >> Gene Heskett<gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Your treatment of redhat/fedora users with over a decade of use has >>> finally reached the quitting point. You refuse to fix openssh, hoping >>> that would force me to install F12, and when I do and have problems, its >>> go pound sand. >> >> F10 has a clear cutoff date for support that has now passed. If you >> really want an upgraded openssh for your system, try grabbing the src rpm >> from F11 and building it on your F10 system. This will probably work and >> should take you about an hour to do with some futzing but no roadblocks. > >Well said, Bruno. > >Gene, you've been involved with Fedora long enough to know that support >for a given version ends a few months after the release of the second >follow-on version (F8 support ended a few months after F10, F9 after F11 >and so on). This has been the case for a LONG time so it should >have come as no surprise to you. > >The Fedora Legacy project was originally created to support old Fedora >releases but died due to lack of interest and/or resources. I'm sure >you could revive it if you wanted to and many, many people would be >eternally grateful. You must keep in mind that a lot of newer packages >use later libraries and such with different so numbers and there's a >hell of a lot of backporting you'd need to do to manage things. >Without a large staff or copious amounts of free time, I would imagine >that this would be an exceedingly daunting task to take on. > >For example, I run a PCI-compliant company. When we have a security >scan the validation companies often simply look at the SSL version >strings and flag them as having vulnerabilities, when in fact the SSL >fixes from later versions have been backported into the ones I use. I >can't use the newer SSL libs because the so number increase breaks a >lot of precompiled code and I don't have the time to rebuild half the >system to accommodate it. This is but one example of the kind of stuff >you'd have to deal with if you want to revive Fedora Legacy. > >If anyone needs long-term stability and/or support, they need RHEL or >CentOS; or perhaps Ubuntu or even SuSE. Fedora is, by definition, >bleeding edge stuff and a moving target as well. There comes a time >when one must cut the strings and move on to the next release or >everything stagnates. RHEL/CentOS 5 is still stuck with a 2.6.18 >kernel, for example, while F11 has a 2.6.30 kernel and F12 uses >2.6.31. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >- Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer ricks@xxxxxxxx - >- AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - >- - >- I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every minute of it! - >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > And I've been using 2.6.32, built for my hardware, since about an hour after the announcement... And I build a new amanda snapshot and install it several times a week, so I'm used to things that don't always work, but they are fixable. Rick, I am not allergic to moving on, but the 64 bit F12 I installed was a snail on downers. And my messages were ignored for the most part. Your F10 grub2 is broken beyond repair also, and I needed it to work so I could try some other distro's that do use grub2 to boot with. The Mint 8 version of grub-mkconfig almost gets it right, foo=bar'ing some (hdx,x) statements in the initrd lines it outputs, these are easily fixable with any editor. But because the changes you made to the code have a vendor lock in flavor to them, its just some more of that yellow liquid in my cheerio's. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. <https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp> Many aligators will be slain, but the swamp will remain. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
