On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 11:09 -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > The perennial "if you don't like it then fix the problem yourself or > > just shut up" is what gets very old, as do witty paraphrases such as > > "you can always return it for a full refund". So only seasoned > > developers get to have an opinion and the rest of us can just take what > > we get and be thankful? I don't think so. > > Everyone certainly gets to have an opinion. > > The KDE thing is very old. The difference, however, is that the KDE > people within Fedora are, always saying "please, come help us", and > all anyone wants to do is complain about how things aren't the way > they think they should be. > > File bug reports. Help with translations. Do whatever. > > No one wants to. Depends where you look. Not everything is on this list, for example the Fedora-KDE list is full of people making bug reports and try to help however they can (and griping and asking questions like they do here of course; that's what lists are for). I've filed a good 6 or 7 reports in the past year or so. However filing a bug report on a KDE app has no effect whatever on the general Gnome-based policy of Fedora. Once again: I understand this and don't expect it to change because I believe the state of the art in Linux desktops simply hasn't reached a point where a distro can be both genuinely DE-neutral and fully functional. The freedesktop people are doing what they can and a lot of progress has been made, but there's a long way to go. Platforms where you don't get a choice don't have this problem of course. They have other problems instead. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines