I just switched from Cox cable to Qwest dsl. Price was cheaper, and qwest is talking 40 mbit/sec speeds in the next few months. Keep that up and soon we'll be at half the speed of the leading internet countries. (100 mbit/sec) :-) Qwest makes no secret of the fact they do not support linux, and there were some issues that cost me several hours to resolve because of that. Several times I just about chucked in the towel and reactivated my cox broadband (30 day switch option, total cost $10 or $15). I thought I would post the solutions I found here for anyone who might make the switch. First, dsl uses pppoe so you need a userid and password to access the internet, unlike cable. And if you use a router behind your modem, you will need to switch it from dhcp to pppoe and put in the userid and password of the pppoe connection. When you get the dsl modem, it will come with a userid and password already installed, and they will seem to work, as the modem will have an ip address assigned to it. You will even be able to ping out. But the *real* userid and password are embedded in the bundled windows software. You will need to call user support to get them. They send several sheets with connect codes, seems it would be easy for them to add this. Go figure. Second, qwest uses windows live as their email provider. And while tech support will give you the pop3 server, pop3.live.com, and the protocols, port 995 via ssl, they don't tell you that the username at windows live *includes* the domain name. So if your address is somebody@xxxxx, that is also your username, not just the somebody. The pop3 has to be authenticated with the username and the password for that username. Every linux client I tried could do this (seamonkey, thunderbird, sylpheed, claws). The account name has an extra domain on the end though. :-o Third, their tech support will tell you that the smtp server, smtp.live.com uses port 25 and ssl. Unfortunately, that is not true. They use a combination of TSL and ssl. The only client that I tried that could do this was claws. I set the smtp authenticate, leaving the userid and password blank so that it would use the pop3 userid and password. And I set the option to use starttls and ssl. I did not try evolution, perhaps it would have worked out of the box with its greater windows compatibility. When I called asking about what they were doing with their server that was causing the problem, they said it was a client problem, and basically told me tough luck. Typical microsoft, "Standard? We *are* the standard!". They have some justification for that view, but just some. ;-) Hope this saves someone a few hours of grief. This whole incident has me looking into email hosting and private domain names. Both are very cheap right now. Hosting using someone else's domain can be had for $10 US and up per year, hosting with your own domain about $23 and up per year, and domain and web hosting for $42 and up per year. Seems the way to go. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines