bruno... in the us (in most areas) the local gov't institution holds great sway over who gets the ISP rights.. you're mote than welcome to organize, to be able to represent your views. it's called democracy... but, given that you may not have multiple competitors for the ISP... the ISP provider can still do pretty much whatever they choose as long as it's legal. keep in mind, 20 years ago.. there wasn't an ISP and things still worked pretty well!! and you always have the option of physically moving to another state!!! but stating that 'individual freedoms' are stepped on is completely stupid. me getting stopped when i was a kid because i was black and accused of theft simply because of my skin.. that's a situation where 'freedoms/rights' come into play.. not the ISP issues you have regarding port issue... peace -----Original Message----- From: Bruno Wolff III [mailto:bruno@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:57 PM To: bruce Cc: phil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.' Subject: Re: Comcast permanent block on port 25 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:41:03 -0800, bruce <bedouglas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > check your Terms/Conditions of your ISP. you guys who think that anything > that you want to do, and your ISP won't let you is somehow violating your > rights are laughable. If there was competition this would be true. But when you can't get real internet access in an area for a reasonable price (and 3x the going rate isn't reasonable), then it is true. > your ISP is running a biz, with rules. I can go in a store and demand to buy > a turkey for the price I want. I can't go tell the Best Buy, to give me the > TV, for the price I want. you can't force the ISP to give you the service > you want, with the bells/whistles you want, for the price you want. But in those cases there is competition that keeps the prices reasonable. > you're more than welcome to attempt to raise the funds to start your own > ISP... And do what. The ILECs have been given a position that allows them to keep competition out. Take a look what happened in Canada. Losing customers to your competition because they aren't blocking things? Why just start blocking traffic on the lines you are reselling so that your competitors can only provbide the same crappy service you want to provide. > your 'rights' aren't being stepped on because your ISP won't allow you to do > what you want. That view only makes sense when there are lots of ISPs with different rules and rates. It doesn't apply where there is a duopoly that provides the same crappy service to everyone and competitors need not apply. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
