--- On Sun, 12/7/08, R. G. Newbury <newbury@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: R. G. Newbury <newbury@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Root in FC10 > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:50 AM > > No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that > would be caught > > when running as a user may not be caught when running > as root. > > A "bug" or a permissions error. Please explain > how a BUG could or would be treated differently depending on > the user? > > > The more code you have running as root, the greater > the chance of > > running into problems. > > This is illogical and not relevant to the point which you > are attempting to make. The vast majority of user, including > myself, do not write the code we run. And the exploit rate > in code has nothing to do with the amount of code you have > running. Lots of code is basically impervious to external > exploit while being run, because it does not talk to or > interact with the external world. > > If you are referring to the underlying OS, it ALWAYS runs > as whatever, often as root. A 'root' user > doesn't to my understanding run 'more' code than > a user does...and in any event, all of that code is still > there to be exploited whichever user is running on top of it > (if that code is capable of being exploited at all). > > Then again, it is a lot easier to shoot > > yourself in the foot running as root using the GUI. > How may times > > have we seen someone on the list that changed > permissions, or > > deleted the wrong file, and needs help to get the > system running again. > > THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SECURITY. You are just trying > to play 'nanny'. The saying is: "To err is > human". We are ALL human. Get over it and stop trying > to tie people's hands just because you will not be there > to hold them. AND this has nothing to do with logging in as > root. Any user, who through ignorance or stupidity (or both) > changes permissions or deletes the wrong file, is NOT > interacting with "security" when he does those > things. He is using the OS, which does *exactly* what he > tells it to do, whether or not that is what he thought he > wanted it to do. And the only PROPER response to that, after > the fact, is to explain what he did (fix the ignorance bit: > "ignorant" from "does not know") and > hope that he remembers it (you cannot fix the stupid bit). > Oh, and say, Don't do that again. > > Sorta like your mother probably did many times when you > were a child. But it is time to stop playing parent to > everyone. > > Geoff > > -- fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > Guidelines: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines well said! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
