newkey upgrades, the special cases

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First off all, thanks for the work put into the completely new
repository setup with the new signing keys. All we had to do as users
was be patient, and follow a few rather straightforward instructions on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_new_signing_key 

As a side note, may I suggest adding something to that page about
disabling 3rd party repositories while switching over to the new keys?
Before I had a chance to upgrade, Livna already had packages
(xine-libs-extra-nonfree) that depended on updates that were only
available in the Fedora update-newkey repositories. Of course as simple
as yum --disablerepo=livna upgrade, but is that simple and
straightforward to the avarage user as well? Perhaps the same is true
for other repositories like freshrpms?
Things will probably get more complicated when further updates become
available in the 3rd party repositories, so I guess a note about this in
the wiki page would be in order.

Now for my real questions: the special cases. Does it work to specify
the new .newkey repository in anaconda (or in a kickstart file) when
doing a fresh install? I guess not, since I don't see the new
fedora-release package inside those repositories, so when I add these
directories in stead of the old ones without the .newkey in the name,
anaconda will not have a way to import the new keys, right?
Does this mean that there is for teh time being no other way for fresh
installs than to install from the original fedora 9 release, and pull in
all the updates later, after setting up the new keys?

Similarly, will preupgrade still work? I tried that to upgrade a system
from fedora 8 to 9 when I noticed specifying an update repository in
anaconda was not working as I expected. It seems to load only the F9
packages as originally released, which are in some cases older than the
current fedora 8 packages. Will this work? I'm not proceeding with the
upgrade right now (it's not a test system, but a machine that is in use
an dI cannot allow too much downtime just to test if the upgrade will
succeed).
If no one knows the answers here, I'm willing to install Fedora8 on my
test system tomorrow and try the upgrades (test system is running
Fedora 10 alpha right now, so nothing that cannot be sacrificed, given
enough time)

David Jansen

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