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Today's Topics:

   1. Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
      Management Server (Arch Willingham)
   2. Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images (Kevin J. Cummings)
   3. Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images (Nigel Henry)
   4. grandma-rated mail reader (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
   5. To All EEEpc and Fedora Users, getting Wlan0 and Webcam
      working (Jim)
   6. Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
      Management	Server (Markku Kolkka)
   7. Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images (Patrick O'Callaghan)
   8. eth0 died on reboot (Dennis Kaptain)
   9. Re: Backup Server RAID Suggestions - Resend (Les Mikesell)
  10. Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
      Management	Server (Dave Ihnat)
  11. Re: help (Steve Repo)
  12. Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
      Management Server (Les Mikesell)
  13. RE: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
      Management Server (Arch Willingham)
  14. Re: grandma-rated mail reader (Les Mikesell)
  15. Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images (Alan Cox)
  16. Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went
      poorly (Johnathan Hegge)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:30:49 -0400
From: Arch Willingham <arch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
	Management Server
To: "'fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx'" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <F3B98AF0D07E84428BBDE6B9EB1CF8543373B3E9DA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Does anyone have an open source alternative to Microsoft's System
Management Server (SMS)? SMS will do a ton of stuff but the main thing we need
it for is keeping up with IT hardware assets (what computers we have, disk space
on each, processors, memory, etc) and need it to keep up with Windows machines
as well as Linux machines.

Thanks!

Arch
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:32:01 -0400
From: "Kevin J. Cummings" <cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <48C56191.3080007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Bing wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I am new to this and seeking advice. 
> 
> I downloaded the 6 CD images ok and run the checksum and they all were ok.
> 
> I burned the images to CD and only CD 1 and 6 show no errors on the 
> media check.
> 
> I re-burnt CD 2 to see if it was a glitch but the new disk also came up 
> with errors.
> 
> The machines I have do not have DVD drives only CD
> 
>  
> 
> Before I try again and spend a fortune on CDs wanted to know if anybody 
> has successfully downloaded, burnt and installed from these images.

Try burning the CDs at a lower speed.  This often helps.  Especially 
with marginal media.

>  
> 
> Many thanks in anticipation.
> 
>  
> 
> Bing
> 


-- 
Kevin J. Cummings
kjchome@xxxxxxx
cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org)



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:36:17 +0200
From: Nigel Henry <cave.dnb2m97pp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200809081936.17510.cave.dnb2m97pp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

On Monday 08 September 2008 19:12, Bing wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am new to this and seeking advice.
>
> I downloaded the 6 CD images ok and run the checksum and they all were ok.
>
> I burned the images to CD and only CD 1 and 6 show no errors on the media
> check.
>
> I re-burnt CD 2 to see if it was a glitch but the new disk also came up
> with errors.
>
> The machines I have do not have DVD drives only CD
>
>
>
> Before I try again and spend a fortune on CDs wanted to know if anybody
has
> successfully downloaded, burnt and installed from these images.
>
>
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
>
>
> Bing

A while back, not sure now which Fedora version, but the first cd was burnt to 
one make of CD media, and the rest of the disks were on another. the first CD 
passed the media check, and the rest failed, but the Fedora version installed 
ok with no problems with any of the disks. 

I did read that the media checker wasn't entirely reliable. Someone else 
mentioned that there could be a problem with just one file on the CD, but may 
not cause a problem with installing the system, although the media checker 
gave a fail. Why though the first CD on one make of media passed, and the 
other 4 disks failed on a different make of media is puzzling. I ignored the 
fails on the other 4 CD's, and went ahead with the install, and had no 
problems.

I don't even bother with the media checker now, and just go ahead with the 
install.

And Yes, I too have downloaded the 6 CD images for Fedora 9, didn't do the 
media check, and Fedora 9 has installed ok, although I don't like KDE4 too 
much.

Nigel.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:37:42 -0700
From: "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht"
	<wolfgang.rupprecht+gnus200809@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: grandma-rated mail reader
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <87ej3u7d3t.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Does anyone of an *extremely* simple mail reader for f9?  Preferably
something approaching the proverbial one button program that says
"doit (click here dummy)".

I'm trying to get Grandma connected to that new-fangled internet thing
and be able to send email to the grandkids and great grandkids.  That
isn't doing so well.  The rater busy gui interfaces that gmail et al
present are proving to be far too confusing for her.  I haven't tried
to introduce her to Evolution, but I'm not even sure I would be able
to explain how to get from calendar mode to mail reader mode (or why
the modes are hidden in a second-level pull-down.)  There must be
something simpler out there.  Help.

-wolfgang
-- 
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht              http://www.full-steam.org/  (ipv6-only)
         You may need to config 6to4 to see the above pages.



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:40:59 -0400
From: Jim <mickeyboa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: To All EEEpc and Fedora Users, getting Wlan0 and Webcam
	working
To: Fedora-Maillist <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <48C563AB.4080702@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

FC9 , 2.6.27-0.312.rc5.git7.fc10 .
If you have eeePC 700 series that uses the wireless ar5007EG Atheros 
chipset, in Fedora Rawhide repo for FC10 they have the kernel- 
2.6.27-0.312.rc5.git7.fc10 that will run the Wireless card and Webcam.
I used Yumex to install the kernel- 2.6.27-0.312.rc5.git7.fc10 into FC9 
and rebooted and wa-la I have Wireless and Video Cam.
Be sure that you don't have any thing in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist that 
blacklists the ath5k_pci  driver.



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:58:38 +0300
From: Markku Kolkka <markkuk@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
	Management	Server
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <200809082058.38621.markkuk@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

Arch Willingham kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika maanantai, 8. 
syyskuuta 2008):
> Does anyone have an open source alternative to Microsoft's
> System Management Server (SMS)? SMS will do a ton of stuff but
> the main thing we need it for is keeping up with IT hardware
> assets (what computers we have, disk space on each,
> processors, memory, etc) and need it to keep up with Windows
> machines as well as Linux machines.

OCS Inventory and GLPI.

http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/
http://glpi-project.org/?lang=en

-- 
 Markku Kolkka
 markku.kolkka@xxxxxx



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:30:38 -0430
From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1220896838.20573.21.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 18:12 +0100, Bing wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I am new to this and seeking advice.  
> 
> I downloaded the 6 CD images ok and run the checksum and they all were
> ok.
> 
> I burned the images to CD and only CD 1 and 6 show no errors on the
> media check.
> 
> I re-burnt CD 2 to see if it was a glitch but the new disk also came
> up with errors.
> 
> The machines I have do not have DVD drives only CD
> 
>  
> 
> Before I try again and spend a fortune on CDs wanted to know if
> anybody has successfully downloaded, burnt and installed from these
> images.

I had this happen years ago and IIRC the solution was to add
"ide=nodma"
to the boot line while installing. See
http://www.fedorafaq.org/#mediacheck

poc



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dennis Kaptain <dkaptain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: eth0 died on reboot
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <13711.31421.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I removed an unused pci card from my PC. After I restarted it, eth0 was dead.
(no I didn't remove my network card ;-) )
The network card is built into the motherboard.

Using another computer, I have verified that the port on the router and the
cable are both good.

Does anybody have any ideas what I could try next?

Thanks
Dennis


[root@amor ~]# service network restart
Shutting down loopback interface:                          [  OK  ]
Bringing up loopback interface:                            [  OK  ]
Bringing up interface eth0:  
Determining IP information for eth0...PING 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) from
192.168.1.65 eth0: 56(84) bytes of data.

--- 192.168.1.254 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 2999ms
, pipe 3
failed.
                                                           [FAILED]
[root@amor ~]# 

What happens during network restart on /var/log/messages:
tail -f /var/log/messages
Sep  8 12:24:50 amor kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
Sep  8 12:24:50 amor dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
Sep  8 12:24:58 amor dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
Sep  8 12:25:06 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 5
Sep  8 12:25:11 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 14
Sep  8 12:25:25 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 21
Sep  8 12:25:46 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 10
Sep  8 12:25:56 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 10
Sep  8 12:26:05 amor dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
interval 1
Sep  8 12:26:07 amor dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received.
Sep  8 12:26:07 amor dhclient: Trying recorded lease 192.168.1.65
Sep  8 12:26:07 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: Joining mDNS multicast group on
interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.65.
Sep  8 12:26:07 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: New relevant interface eth0.IPv4 for
mDNS.
Sep  8 12:26:07 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: Registering new address record for
192.168.1.65 on eth0.IPv4.
Sep  8 12:26:10 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: Withdrawing address record for
192.168.1.65 on eth0.
Sep  8 12:26:10 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on
interface eth0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.65.
Sep  8 12:26:10 amor avahi-daemon[2606]: Interface eth0.IPv4 no longer relevant
for mDNS.


Here from dmesg, eth0 is found and a driver e10001 is installed:
dmesg
e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 0.2.0
e1000e: Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Intel Corporation.
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:19.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 20
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:19.0 to 64
iTCO_wdt: Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver v1.02 (26-Jul-2007)
iTCO_wdt: Found a ICH8 or ICH8R TCO device (Version=2, TCOBASE=0x0460)
iTCO_wdt: initialized. heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)
eth0: (PCI Express:2.5GB/s:Width x1) 00:16:76:c4:cd:10
eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
eth0: MAC: 4, PHY: 6, PBA No: ffffff-0ff
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.3[B] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21

here from lsmod and lspci it looks like the driver really is installed and the
card really was seen
lsmod | grep e1000e
e1000e                 84709  0 

lspci
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC Gigabit Network
Connection (rev 02)

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:12:03 -0500
From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Backup Server RAID Suggestions - Resend
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <48C56AF3.9020800@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Mike McMullen wrote:
> Thank you Gilboa and James!
> 
> Here's a little more information.
> 
> Someone gave me the de-branded HP Athlon 64 X2 PC. So I have a free PC
> I'd like to turn into a NAS server. This doesn't have to be pretty
just
> functional and semi-cheap.
> 
> Since there isn't room in the PC case for the drives, let alone
cooling
> and power, I figured some external case/RAID storage box might do the
> trick.
> 
> This thing doesn't need to be the fastest on the planet just reliable
> and as inexpensive as possible. I need the money for lenses for the
> cameras. ;o)
> 
> I've been looking at enclosures etc at www.pc-pitstop.com that use a
> port multiplier. 
> 
> These seem reasonable. Anyone know anything about port multipliers? Am I
> missing something big here? 
> 
> I'm definitely not an expert on raid storage.

I've always liked the simplicity of software RAID1.  You lose some disk 
capacity (pretty cheap these days) compared to RAID5 and if you use a 
simple scheme keeping the disks independent you will have to deal with 
multiple mount points.   In return, you get the ability to easily 
recover the data from any single disk and to make a backup by swapping 
out one of the mirrors and sync'ing to a new one.  Plus, you don't have

to worry about matching up with the old controller if you want to move a 
disk or a set.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
     lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:13:44 -0500
From: Dave Ihnat <dihnat@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
	Management	Server
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20080908181344.GA12797@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 01:30:49PM -0400, Arch Willingham wrote:
> Does anyone have an open source alternative to Microsoft's System
> Management Server (SMS)? SMS will do a ton of stuff but the main thing
> we need it for is keeping up with IT hardware assets (what computers we
> have, disk space on each, processors, memory, etc) and need it to keep
> up with Windows machines as well as Linux machines.

Take a look at OCS Inventory:

  http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/

Cheers,
--
	Dave Ihnat
	President, DMINET Consulting, Inc.
	dihnat@xxxxxxxxxx



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:50:06 +0530
From: "Steve Repo" <scmuser@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: help
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<29815d590809081120s462df8a7r7bb46b09abea3a76@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:10 PM, ramachandra raju
<raju.netadmin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> hi,
> I am new to Linux. i have installed fc9 in my office. Now i want to
install
> freePBX in my system. But i am unable to install. It shows that that rpms
> requires dependencies. I am getting so many errors and i am unable to find
> the solution for that. Please send me the total installation process to
> install freePBX in my system. If possible please send me the rpms for
> installing the freePBX(asterisk,asterisk-addons,libpri,zaptel and freePBX)
>

Please read freepbx installation and use their recommended
distribution. This is not a freepbx support list.

Good Luck!



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:25:19 -0500
From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
	Management Server
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <48C56E0F.5020505@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Arch Willingham wrote:
> Does anyone have an open source alternative to Microsoft's System 
> Management Server (SMS)? SMS will do a ton of stuff but the main thing 
> we need it for is keeping up with IT hardware assets (what computers we 
> have, disk space on each, processors, memory, etc) and need it to keep 
> up with Windows machines as well as Linux machines.

Look at http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/.  There are agents for both 
Windows and Linux that report the hardware/software inventory, disk 
space, etc. back to a central server on a scheduled basis and you can 
also use it to deploy programs or run commands on the clients.

There's a Centos/RHEL packaged server (needs EPEL too) and I think 
fedora also in this repository: 
http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en


-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:47:57 -0400
From: Arch Willingham <arch@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System
	Management Server
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora."	<fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <F3B98AF0D07E84428BBDE6B9EB1CF8543373B59E6E@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks guys!

Arch
________________________________________
From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Les Mikesell [lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:25 PM
To: Community assistance, encouragement,        and advice for using Fedora..
Subject: Re: Spam: Open source alternative to Microsoft's System Management
Server

Arch Willingham wrote:
> Does anyone have an open source alternative to Microsoft's System
> Management Server (SMS)? SMS will do a ton of stuff but the main thing
> we need it for is keeping up with IT hardware assets (what computers we
> have, disk space on each, processors, memory, etc) and need it to keep
> up with Windows machines as well as Linux machines.

Look at http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/.  There are agents for both
Windows and Linux that report the hardware/software inventory, disk
space, etc. back to a central server on a scheduled basis and you can
also use it to deploy programs or run commands on the clients.

There's a Centos/RHEL packaged server (needs EPEL too) and I think
fedora also in this repository:
http://blog.famillecollet.com/pages/Config-en


--
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:52:40 -0500
From: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: grandma-rated mail reader
To: "Community assistance, encouragement,	and advice for using
	Fedora." <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <48C57478.5080504@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> Does anyone of an *extremely* simple mail reader for f9?  Preferably
> something approaching the proverbial one button program that says
> "doit (click here dummy)".
> 
> I'm trying to get Grandma connected to that new-fangled internet thing
> and be able to send email to the grandkids and great grandkids.  That
> isn't doing so well.  The rater busy gui interfaces that gmail et al
> present are proving to be far too confusing for her.  I haven't tried
> to introduce her to Evolution, but I'm not even sure I would be able
> to explain how to get from calendar mode to mail reader mode (or why
> the modes are hidden in a second-level pull-down.)  There must be
> something simpler out there.  Help.

Give thunderbird a try.  It looks/works pretty much the same across 
linux/windows/mac and is all pretty obvious.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:45:32 +0100
From: Alan Cox <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 9 i386 CD images
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
	Fedora."	<fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: bing77@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20080908204532.3b46ec4b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

> Before I try again and spend a fortune on CDs wanted to know if anybody
has
> successfully downloaded, burnt and installed from these images.

I've seen a small number of cases where the verify fails incorrectly. Can
you try installing off the CD set you burned and if it works please open
a bug in bugzilla and put in it

- The disk controller type
- The vendor/model of the CD or DVD drive.

and assign it to alan@xxxxxxxxxx

Alan



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:51:02 -0500
From: Johnathan Hegge <johnathan.hegge@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went
	poorly
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1220903462.4038.22.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8


> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Bjørn Tore Sund <bjorn.sund@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
> > Fedora. <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update went
> > poorly
> > Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:51:54 +0200
> > 
> > Changing the subject like that is normally a very good way to make
sure I
> > won't spot your reply...

Yes, my bad.  

> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:51:59 -0500
> > > From: Johnathan Hegge <johnathan.hegge@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem -- BIOS update
went poorly
> > > To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Message-ID:
<1220651519.3856.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > Got tons of Dell Optiplex 7XX, had that exact problem. 
Solution is
> > > > two-step:
> > > > 1. Flash up the bios.  The ones they're shipped with
suck bigtime.
> > > > 2. Add the kernel parameter "reboot=bios" to all
kernel lines in
> > > > /boot/grub/menu.lst
> > > > 
> > > > Solved it for us.
> > > > 
> > > > -BT
> > >
> > > Ugh, I was having the same problem with my 745.  So, I drug out
a USB
> > > floppy and applied the latest BIOS -- going from 2.3.1 to 2.6.2
from
> > > Dell.  Whoops.
> > > 
> > > Starting up looks fine, all services showed OK.  Gets to local,
X starts
> > > and the box freezes at the spinning dots with a frozen mouse.. 
Can't
> > > break with Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Backspace.
> > > 
> > > Hard power, restart, interactive init.  Allow all, but skip
local.  X
> > > starts fine.  
> > > 
> > > rc.local contains:
> > <NOTHING>
> > 
> > 1. Did you apply the reboot=bios setting as well?
> > 2. Did you try more than once, with the new bios?
> > 
> > What you're describing sounds more like a fluke, or at least a
problem
> > unrelated to the bios update.  There's nothing in your rc.local,
thus
> > nothing there which should make a difference.  Reapply the most
recent bios,
> > set the kernel boot parameter, and give it a few more tries to check.
> > 

Thanks for the ideas.  

1. reboot=bios does indeed let the box reboot (if not already frozen),
cool.
2. I tried several times with the same result.  I reapplied the BIOS
(BTW, are you using 2.6.2 as well?).  

I tried a few things to gain insight.  Looking at inittab for a clue as
to what happens after rc.local, I see that I need to look /etc/event.d.
I see the prefdm script.  Looks as though that just ends up launching
gdm.  So, I figured the problem at least relates more to that --
somewhere in the transition from rhgb to gdm.  


I booted to run level 3, ran gdm (as root) and X/gdm comes up fine.  I
rebooted after this successful boot and the 745 still freezes if I allow
it to boot straight to run level 5.

SELinux is disabled.  

I acquired a second 745 without the x1300 ATI card, applied the BIOS fix
and will continue installing F9 to compare.  

I just noticed the memtest suggestion in another email, I'll try that
tonight.  



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