On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 05:22 -0600, linuxguy wrote: > On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:30 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 16:38 -0600, linuxguy wrote: > > > On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 18:37 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > > > > > The people that allowed KDE4.0 to ship in F9 showed > > > > > a huge lapse in judgment. > > > > > > > > How so? I think they underestimated how many freeloaders would bitch > > > > about not having what they want when they want it. > > > > > > The fact that you refer to common Linux users like myself as > > > "freeloaders who bitch" demonstrates a big part of this and other > > > problems within the Linux community. > > > > > > Keep it up. Linux adoption will stay at 1% for another 10 years. > > > > > > > If the price of 10% adoption rate is exponential increase in the number > > of bitch-and-moan-while-doing-nothing-to-help like the OP, I'll take 1% > > market share any time, any date. (But that's me...) > > "do nothing to help" people are the majority of computer users. They > don't expect to have to WORK on an operating system. They expect it to > "just work" for them. > > You are lucky that I "bitch an moan". I'm really just the messenger for > the vast majority of potential Linux users out there. 99% of the other > people heard messages like "If the price of 10% adoption is..." from > Linux people like yourself and decided they didn't want to be insulted > and then chose not to be involved in the Linux community. > > The Fedora and KDE communities shipped an operating system in which > basic functionality like drag and drop and Kget doesn't work. They > didn't clearly warn people about things like this. And you expect > people to not complain ? > > I think its time the Fedora community took a long hard look at itself. > Linux IS ready for the desktop. Or at least it was with KDE 3.5.9. > Some of the Linux community, however, is not. > If you do not understand the difference between constructive input, bug reports and testing and "you owe me!!! / I want KDE 4.1/3.5.9 NOW!!!" type of messages, I doubt that I can do anything to persuade differently. (Beyond adding yet another name to my growing troll filter). Beyond that, "I'm" not "we"; and I greatly doubt that you represent anyone beside yourself. Your assumptions that you know what I/we/Fedora wants/targets, and therefore we (???) are lucky to have you on-board, coupled with your "you owe me/where's my" attitude, is simply amusing. Oh, and having been a Windows developer for many years (and spent many years in Windows developer ML's) I can only laugh at your ready-for-the-desktop comment. But that's another issue all-together. In the OSS world, those who do the work get to make the decisions. You want KDE 3.5.9 on F9? Great, stop wasting our time and start packaging. - Gilboa -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
