On Wednesday 13 August 2008, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> Can gstreamer do what an offshore ffmpeg can? > >ffmpeg can do a lot that is not directly tied to a specific encumbered >encoding. All libraries end up decoding the encumbered formats and using >some sort of internal representation of the stream that is useful to work >with as a raw data source. Video editting does not strictly require >encumbered crap. If we had the video editting application such as kino in >the distro...we could edit raw dv from camcorders into quite usable compress >theora videos. > >Sadly kino relies on ffmpg to do this. So I could rip out the encumbered >bits from ffmpeg, include that as a package..and then package kino to use >it. In fact I personally have such a package, but I haven't submitted any of >it for inclusion..because including that sort of thing would mean that the >users of that package could not add support for other codecs to use with >kino. They'd be stuck with my crippled ffmpeg and thus a crippled kino. And >it would be marginally harder for them to install a fully functional kino >once my package was available. 3rd party repos which provide a fully >functional ffmpeg and kino would have to bend over backwards to work around >my 'crippled' ffmpeg stack. And as much as I want to make useful video >production tools available in distro..I don't want to make work harder for >the maintainers and users of those 3rd party repsotiories. > >All of this because ffmpeg doesn't deal with plugin technology at any level. >Unlike xine... unlike gstreamer. > >> I think not, regardless of how >> much better it can handle plugins, you would still be removing those bits > >infinitely better support...since ffmpeg has no support at all for runtime >detection of codec support. c'mon even windows media player's framework >lets you add codec support as plugins doesn't it? > >> that actually make it work. Also, gstreamer, which might be somebodies >> pet for all I know, seems to do weird things that require a tap on the >> reset button here, so AFAIAC, its not ready for prime time either. >> >> Whats a 'pitivi'? > >I suggest you make an effort to read up on gstreamer and the applications >which are attempting to make use of it. gst is already pretty deeply >integrated into the default gnome application stack. You are probably making >use of the framework without knowing it already. > >If you want to work on a technical solution towards better video production >tools in Fedora, gstreamer's pretty much the only framework that's flexible >enough to build on with out running directly into legal issues to get >anything in at all. > >Pitivi is a simple non-linear editor that is in distro right now, but it >needs some love. There are several of music sequencing applications based >on gst, and there are some reasonably good video playback applictions out >there, even video streaming and capturing apps... but the one thing that is >really unexplored is video editing. > >If all you want to do is get mad and shake your first in the air and march >around in a little circle beating your chest at the fact that we are >cautious about legal issues..including patently unreasonable things..like >software patents...I guess I can't stop you..but you should know...you look >really funny doing it... and its not helpful. > I wasn't trying to be funny, Jef. In fact, since I've got sugar and am several years the far side of 70 already, only a masochist would enjoy watching that. But I am a great believer in making things work the way I want them to work, and going to an offshore distro seems to me to be the most efficient use of my remaining time. I need it to work now, not at some point in an indefinitely measured future. That's all that has ever been promised, and there have been 2 or 3 multimedia editors marched in as being the current version of kitten britches since FC2 & a kino that worked, and each has fallen by the wayside. It seems the coders can come up with a pretty face & nothing behind it, or difficult to use cli tools, and never the twain shall meet under US law. >You want to be helpful? Work towards getting a mature video editting app on >this list: >http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/apps/ > >If we can get that done, that would go a long way. My days of giving code a bunch of much needed TLC were 15 years ago, and about 56 bits narrower a data bus. Now I play canary in a coal mine by running the last Linus blessed rc kernel, 2.6.27-rc3 ATM. >-jef Nah. I've used kino before. The button has been pushed, and Ubuntu 8.04 is coming in via ktorrent right now. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Hope is a waking dream. -- Aristotle -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
