On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 12:18 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:36:58PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 2008, Nifty Fedora Mitch <niftyfedora@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > systematic interface between the kernel services and the applications.
> > > This interface consists of an API and and ABI.
> >
> > Not really. It's just an ABI, really. It's GNU libc's job to offer
> > an API for applications and translate that into the system calls
> > defined in the kernel ABI. There's no such thing as a kernel header
> > file you can include from userland and start issuing calls into the
> > kernel. Kernel developers will tell you that including kernel headers
> > from userland is not kosher.
> >
> > Of course GNU libc has its own ABI as well, and that's what
> > applications for GNU/Linux are compatible with, after being built
> > using the GNU libc API. As for the kernel ABI, nothing but GNU libc
> > really cares about it, since pretty much nobody else issues syscalls
> > directly.
> ....
> > Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org}
>
> Yes,
> At some point it is all ABI.
> The list of system calls (kernel services) is the API and GNU libc
> does include some header file to get from the user space API/ABI to
> kernel space.
>
> Recall, the name of this line that joins the kernel (Linux) and
> application space (think HelloWorld, X-windows and more) is the "question
> I am asking". Of interest the "omissions" in the list of system calls
> commonly show up as hardware specific ioctl() side doors.
>
> Perhaps the answer is as simple as "glibc". I suspect that Posix is slightly more
> apropos.
I assume that glibc had to be re-written to accommodate the Linux
kernel. Who did that port?? Linus and his team? I would assume so, in
order to release anything compiled, or at least contribute to it in a
significant way. Who knows the -real- skinny? Ric
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