On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> For me it means using/reusing/improving freely-available, well-tested >>> code in all possible situations. >> And where did you get this idea that this is what Free (and|or) Open >> Source Software are about? > That's what I say it is about. I.e., you start out by assuming that there aren't differences between these movements, and then conclude from this that they're the same. Sounds like circular logic to me. > Is there a Pope-of-Software who is the only person with the right to > make decisions? This is not about making decisions, this is about history. It's a matter of fact, not opinion. > Why have a discussion if I can't present my own view? You can. You're doing just that. That doesn't make it meaningful or right. If you want it to be convincing, you have to show convincing evidence, not just insist that it's your view and you have every right to have it and present it. This won't change anyone's mind. > The lack of freedom comes when the GPL is involved with any other > code, a situation you seem to ignore. The only cases of combinations for which the GPL refrains from granting permission for distribution are those involving code under licenses that are less permissive than the GPL, in at least one aspect. Why do you insist that the GPL is at fault for that? >>> It is only difficult to escape when equal/better choices don't >>> exist. >> 'fraid you've never tried to move to a superior Free Software >> platform, away from an application that uses a proprietary format, >> that nobody else supports and yet you've stored years of data in it, > Red Herring. It's not necessary to do that. Please look up 'red herring'. I provided an example that directly contradicts your claim. How can you regard that as a distraction? > I do notice the difference Good. Then you acknowledge that the values behind the FS and OSS movements are different, and that they are often at odds with each other? > hence I know that the GPL is the one that most often does not permit Again, this is a distraction, since the GPL is largely adopted and promoted by both movements. It is compatible with a large number of licenses that are both FS and OSS licenses, and it is incompatible with several other licenses that are both FS and OSS licenses. You appear to be working under the common but incorrect assumption that Free Software license means GPL-compatible license. I can't see why you'd obsess about the GPL in an investigation of differences in values between FS and OSS movements. Heck, the GPL isn't even the only copyleft license. In fact, almost all other copyleft licenses are incompatible with the GPL, but this doesn't preclude them from being Free Software licenses, or Open Source licenses. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
