Matthew Saltzman wrote:
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 09:48 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Michael H. Warfield wrote:
I have a longer rant that I'm strongly tempted to send.
I'd wouldn't necessarily post your rant here, as most of us here agree
that NM is a bad idea gone wrong.
Speak for yourself (unless you have hard data to back up your
assertion).
Ok, maybe most don't think NM is evil. I do, because unless you have a
fairly pedestrian environment (no VPNs, no custom clients, you can talk
to external DNS servers and not rely on an internal one, etc.) it will
drive you absolutely batty.
You should, rather, post your rant as
a nice big, fat bugzilla report on the NM and/or Gnome bugzillas.
Better would be a handful of focused, reproducible error reports, so
that the problems can be fixed and the tool improved. Rants aren't
really helpful as Bugzilla reports. They are, however, great ways to
generate traffic on mailing lists.
I agree, but the "focused reports" often lose context of themselves.
Sometimes you need the surrounding data to pick up what the problem
truly is.
It'd also be nice if there was a decent how-to on the various aspects of
the configuraton of wpa_supplicant (what the various "key_mgmt",
"pairwise" and other parameters mean and how to find out what to use,
etc.) so normal non-geeks can sort it out. As far as I can see, people
submit to NM nastiness because they can't sort those out themselves.
I agree with the need for more and better documentation for
wpa_supplicant and for NM. But I mostly "submit" to NM because it
mostly works for me.
I know the theory is that it "just works", but it doesn't in MANY
environments. It doesn't play nice with dhclient, ignores other network
config data and, in fact, conflicts with most existing config data. It
doesn't appear that one can control just what it does, and if you can
there are no documents to indicate how to.
I didn't want to start a rant or a flame war here. I guess I let my
emotions get away with me. Ok, that's enough. I will let this thread
drop now.
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