Mike Bird <mgb-fedora <at> yosemite.net> writes:
> QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5
> in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves
> KDE 3.5 configurations?
And a pony too? ;-)
No, versions in Fedora normally move forward, not backwards, and KDE will be no
exception.
> KDE 4.0 is incomplete and not suitable for most users.
Not true, it is completely usable.
> KDE 4.1 will be incomplete and not suitable for most users.
Even less true.
> The KDE devels are debating whether KDE 4.2 will be usable.
That's not true, many of them are already running 4.0 or 4.1 beta, and
especially 4.1 is widely reported to be perfectly usable.
> The pro-plasma crowd argue that it is theoretically possible
> to implement a desktop by KDE 4.2, but that everyone should
> change to using the folderview and forget about real desktops.
The folderview _is_ a real desktop, it will even be set to display ~/Desktop by
default.
> Probably control center will be fixed by KDE 4.2.
"Fixed" how? It already works fine.
> It's debatable whether Dolphin will ever have the usability that
> KDE 3.5 Konqueror had, but if it does it won't be until KDE 4.2
> at the earliest.
That's just not true. Both Dolphin and the embedded DolphinPart in Konqueror
work just fine. Your complaint is also way too vague, you aren't saying what
the usability problems you encountered are.
> F9 already includes a usable KMenu to replace the KDE 4.0 joke,
> although the usable KMenu is not the default.
Well, some people actually like the new Kickoff menu. (For example, we had a
vote among KDE maintainers for the default menu, it ended up 3-2 for the new
one.) And if (like me) you don't like the new menu, the old one is just 2
clicks away, so this is really the wrong thing to complain about.
> I'm not a KDE developer but I do have users that need to get
> work done and they are not interested in a religious conversion
> to plasmoids. After reading a lot of KDE developer discussions
> my best guess is that KDE 4.3 is the earliest possibility for
> most KDE users, but no guarantees.
I think the KDE 4.1.x in F10 will be something rock solid for your users. IMHO
the most annoying issue in F9 is the GTK+ systray icon problem (actually mostly
harmless in practice, just annoying and ugly), which is being worked on
upstream right now, so I expect that we'll be able to fix it in an F9 update a
few days from now, and F10 will almost certainly not ship with that bug. Trust
me, we know what the prime annoyances are and we're scrambling to get them
fixed ASAP, just as we got the real showstoppers fixed before the F9 release.
> This puts us in something of a quandary. F9 KDE 4.0 is hugely
> annoying to most KDE users. F8 KDE 3.5 still works fine of
> course but IIRC security updates will end in six months.
Don't panic. Our KDE 4 will improve a lot in those 6 months. We're already
working on 4.1 in Rawhide, and we're planning to push it to Fedora 9 once the
final 4.1.0 is released. Fedora 10 will ship with a later 4.1.x version, which
means even more bugfixes.
> QUESTION TO DEVELOPERS: Is there any hope of a full KDE 3.5
> in F10, plus an upgrade path from F8 to F10 that preserves
> KDE 3.5 configurations?
No. There is hope of a fully-usable KDE 4.1.x, and of 4.2.x as an update.
Kevin Kofler
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