RE: Thunderbird: Cannot send email but can read emails

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On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:08 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> | Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> | > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> | > | Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> | > | > I cannot figure out how to get thunderbird to send
> | > | > out email.
> | > | 
> | > | You could start by explaining what you've tried to do. At the 
> | > | very least
> | > | you need to configure an SMTP server.
> | > 
> | > I have the F8-Thunderbird account IMAPed to my SMTP server,
> | > so I can read/send local email messages to local users.  But
> | > I cannot send email Thurnerbird (IMAP) outbound non-local
> | > messages.
> | 
> | IMAP and SMTP are completely and utterly independant of each 
> | other. Just
> | because you have IMAP set up to read mail, and maybe to post in local
> | mailboxes, means absolutely nothing to SMTP. You have to set it up
> | separately.
> 
> Understood.  I was not exactly clear if by using an IMAP client,
> that messages delivered via IMAP acts as if the message was sent
> directly via the SMTP server as an authorized user, no different
> that using an Outlook client - but that may be a wrong assumption
> so it seems.

Definitely wrong. TB along with other IMAP clients can deposit a
message in a shared or public folder on the IMAP server, but that's a
totally different proposition from *sending* a message, for which SMTP
is essential.

> | > I can use windoes outlook to send/receive local/remote emails
> | > via the same SMTP server from which this message was sent.
> | 
> | Then it should be easy. Just copy the SMTP settings from Outlook. OTOH
> | if Outlook is using an Exchange server then I'm afraid can't help you.
> 
> Yes, that may be the case.  Outlook (not Outlook Express) is connected
> to the Exchange server from a windows workstation (or server) and it
> probably already "knows" how to authenicate, thus allows remote delivery
> (in other words, it was not a relay issue.

As I say, I can't comment on what wierdness Exchange may be up to.

> | > I am trying to figure out why via F8->Thunderbird remote
> | > outbound email messages are "refused" (Thunderbird give the
> | > appearance of no errors) - I tried to send a message to
> | > Fedora-Users but was unable to do so.
> | 
> | What do you mean "refused"? Is this a pop-up message on your screen,
> | a returned error email, or what? Is there no indication of why it's
> | refused? Is it refused by your local server or by a remote server? Are
> | you using a fully-qualified domain name for the destination 
> | or some kind of local alias?
> 
> By refused, I mean there is no indication that there was a delivery
> failure, no pop-ups, nothing.  It was totally transparent.  It wasn't
> until I realized that my outbound message to Fedora-User never
> got there.

So "refused" means "didn't arrive (yet)". That's another story. Your
message might have been queued for some reason, or dropped in transit.
If you have no feedback, you don't know what happened.

poc

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