Re: Build Nvidia driver for Fedora 9, AMD?

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On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 06:58 -0500, Erich Zigler wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Mike Evans <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Whoah!
> > Thanks both for this warning.  This has put my plans to upgrade to F9 on
> > immediate and indefinite hold.
> 
> Mine as well unfortunately.
> 
> > Just a thought - but I suppose a retro-grade to the supported version of
> > Xorg is going to break too much?
> 
> In one of the forum links I posted earlier in the thread there is a
> walkthrough on how to install xorg from Fedora 8 and people have had
> some success.
> 
> > I know Fedora likes to be on the cutting edge - but releasing development
> > snapshot as the default for something as fundamental as X?  Hmm.
> 
> This has been a hot topic as of late. Fedora's stance from what I've
> read is that they were all set to release Xorg 1.5 but it missed its
> release date. However to go back to an earlier version would have been
> a lot of work and they deemed the pre-release version to be far enough
> along to include it in the distro.
> 
> Nvidia's position is that they don't support pre-release versions of Xorg.
> 
> My position is that in shipping with a pre-release version of Xorg
> that is not supported by the video card manafacturers I cannot use
> Fedora 9 as it does not meet my requirements of a desktop.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, but be aware it just a matter of
time until you nVidia will be determine factor on which version of Linux
you can or cannot use.

A couple of examples:
nVidia doesn't support Xen (under both Linux and Solaris) - would you
consider dropping Fedora altogether if it decides that ship Xen-only
kernels?

> 
> I do not believe Fedora or Nvidia put the users who depend on the
> proprietary video card drivers in this position knowingly but here we
> are just the same.

In essence, nVidia -is- putting users in this position by letting the nv
driver stay an inch above (?) the generic vesa driver.

nVidia users do -not- have an option: Either be limited by nVidia's
choice of supported kernel and user-mode features (CONFIG_4KSTACKS
anyone?) or get a partially working 2D only OSS driver.

Having said all that, the choice is ours to make. I for one, plan on
slowly phasing out the large fleet of nVidia cards that I have under my
command and replace them with ATI/AMD cards - not because nVidia's
drivers are bad (quite on the contrary) but because I rather pay twice
for the same performance and not be limited by the manufacturer's (-any-
manufacturer's) choice of what/when to support my hardware. 

- Gilboa


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