On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 11:39 -0600, Robin Laing wrote: > Alastair Neil wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Ric Moore <wayward4now@xxxxxxxxx > > <mailto:wayward4now@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 13:05 -0700, Francis Earl wrote: > > > That article ENTIRELY got it wrong. All RedHat said was they won't be > > > pushing Linux on the consumer desktop for some time. They make their > > > money from servers, and they are a company, so it's not in their best > > > interest to have a product they aren't profiting from. > > > > OTOH, as I've said for years, desktops beget servers. Who in their right > > mind would have ever thought that Windows would become a choice as a > > server platform?? The Windows3.1 users got used to the desktop and it > > rolled from there. Disregard the desktops of college entry level users, > > and they'll migrate with their favorite platform and comfort level to > > using it to admin their future server needs. What's not to understand in > > this? RedHat could very well be blowing their lead and not seeing it > > until too late in the game to recover. > > > > We (RH) used to have college programs all over the place ...usually > > promoted as install fests at Universities. I haven't heard of one in the > > press for years now. Servers are where the money is, no doubt. But, it > > is better IMHO to have the future admins loyalty through the user > > desktop by catering to them. I spent years in Marketing. I learned to > > never EVER disregard the little guy. He might become the next purchasing > > agent and/or decision maker. My two cents, Ric > > > > > > An where has it got Microsoft? 20 years and countless billions invested > > in marketing and they still manage only 30% of the server market. > > > > True, Novel lost out to WinNT in part because users got used to the > > Windows interface and wanted a similar experience for managing their > > servers. I refuse to believe that there is such a gulf between Ubuntu > > and RHEL in functionality that users would have the same visceral > > reaction and defect in droves from RH to Ubuntu - because they love > > brown backgrounds on their Gnome desktops. Red Hat has focused its > > desktop efforts on crafting a distribution that is best in class for > > administering servers, just as SUSE is crafting a business productivity > > centric desktop distribution with an emphasis on Windows > > interoperability (thus Evolution, Mono/silverlight and "Don't Sue us > > please Bill!" agreements). These distros have carved their own niches, > > I don't as yet know what Ubuntu's niche is - windows malcontents? home > > tinkerers/hobyists? Small Home Office? You could argue that this is > > exactly the way linux started and who knows in 10 or 20 years maybe they > > will have a significant enterprise share, however, I doubt it. Being > > able to play MP3's out of the box rarely makes it onto a enterprise > > server deployment specification. > > > > > > > > This is an interesting comment. Just a few days ago, I read an article > about Microsoft pointing out companies that have moved from Linux > servers due to the desktop support as well as gui management tools. Of > course I hear that they are now adding more command line tools for > administration due to demand. > > I see two aspects to this part of the debate. > > If people use Linux at work, they will be more likely to use it at home. > They will use what they are familiar with. Most computer users are > not that intelligent to using their computers. Some cannot even figure > out how to update their computers. > > As for MS not getting a larger server share, this is a strange aspect. > Part of the issue in the past has been many admins that new Unix found > it easier to move to Linux from Solaris or other versions. The share of > Windows servers from what I am reading is increasing. I see this as a > result of the new point and click mentality. If you cannot click it, > then you cannot manage it. Damn kids today. :) > I know thats the mentality, but my god thats bullshit! I'll use cli anyday for major tasks- try migrating stats support on a IIS server with 400+ sites then you'll know! > FWIW, this thread has brought out many of the comments that have been > stated in this article. > > Did Canonical Just Get Punked by Red Hat and Novell? > http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2008/04/did-canonical-j.html > > Basically, the announcements are to support the server sales. > > I did like this comment though. > > "Curiously, very little attention was paid to Ron Hovespian's comments > on Novell's similar plans, made before Red Hat's. If I were Novell, I > would take this as a bad sign. Not only did the mainstream media not > pick up on Novell's news, but even most of the hard-line Linux > blogosphere wrote them off with nary so much as a "meh" And if you can't > get those folks mad, you must be doing something wrong! :)" > > From the people that I know, the reason to move from Fedora is the > upgrade path being easier. Longer support is appreciated. Some of > these people are also old time Solaris users as well. > > I will stick with Fedora as long as I can get third party application > that me and my family use. If they are only available on Ubuntu, then I > will have to move. I think it comes down to ease of support as well. If support doesn't keep up then the software is rendered useless. Ie MPlayer and codecs... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
