-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Apr 2008 at 18:09, Matthew Saltzman wrote: From: Matthew Saltzman <mjs@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: hlhowell@xxxxxxxxxxx, For users of Fedora <fedora- list@xxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Clemson University Date sent: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:09:32 +0000 Copies to: Subject: Re: Linux is KING - Couldn't be hacked - Mac, Vista went down in flames Send reply to: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:fedora-list- request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe> <mailto:fedora-list- request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe> > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:48 -0700, Les wrote: > > On my punch cards they did. Every card had a number sequential to the > > sequence. The punch we used inserted them automatically. Well, the > > programming card did. The reference number used for calls may have been > > different, but I don't remember it. > > Those weren't line numbers per se (in the sense that BASIC had line > numbers, for example). In FORTRAN, an 80-column card was divided into > fields: > > Column 1: 'C' indicated a comment line, ' ' a code line. > Columnt 1-5: is for line numbers and on many compilers they had to be right aligned. > Column 2-6: Statement label numbers. These were arbitrary numbers used > as targets for FORMAT, GOTO and "computed GOTO" (now *that* was a flow > control concept!), and DO statements. These did not have to obey any > ordering rules. There was no concept of an if-else block or a while > loop with a logical test, so flow control was handled by GOTOs of some > variety. Targeted statements were usually CONTINUE statements (no-ops), > because there was some ambiguity regarding when the targeted statement > was actually executed, and because it made reorganizing the flow a bit > easier (especially with punchcards[1]). > Column 6: Was used for continuing information from the previous card. Generally putting a 1 in column 6 for the first continuation line, and 2, and so on, but most didn't care. COBOL uses Column 7 for this, and uses a hyphen if splitting a word or quoted text. > Column 7-72: Code. > > Column 73-80: Ignored. Intended to be used for sequence numbers so you > could sort the cards down in order if somebody dropped the deck. The > numbers could be anything really, for example a three-letter alpha code > identifying the deck and a four-digit sequence number. > > (Somebody is bound to correct me on the actual column numbers, now...) > > Aside: In the early FORTRANs, the body of a loop was always executed > once, even though the test was at the top of the loop. So you needed a > guard if you wanted to avoid making any passes through the loop at all. > That changed with FORTRAN 77. > > [1] Of course, you'd want to re-sequence cards at some point if you > reordered them. > > > > > Our programs were HUGE, multiple trays. Each tray was denoted by the > > color of the diagonal line. We had 8 colors, so I guess we never had > > more than 8 trays, because I don't remember pairs of lines anywhere. > > > > Regards, > > Les H > > On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 11:27 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > > > Les wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:36 -0700, Richard England wrote: > > > >> Try dropping two trays , each about 2.5 feet long. They did that to me > > > >> in the data center when I was in grad school. Luckily I had just > > > >> printed they contents out and resequenced them. The manager of the data > > > >> center had a cow when I told the staff to put the deck back together, > > > >> but my advisor (bless him) stood behind me and insisted that if they had > > > >> taken due care it wouldn't have happened. > > > >> > > > >> Ah cards, loved 'em (not). And drum cards. Boy there was an arcane art! > > > >> > > > >> ~~R > > > >> > > > > Did you have the diagonal line drawn on the top to help? > > > > > > > > If they were Fortran, or COBOL, you could always sort on the line > > > > number. I don't remember the other languages having line numbers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Les H > > > > > > > Are you sure about Fortran and COBOL having line numbers? I didn't > > > use COBOL enough to remember any more, but I remember only using > > > line numbers or labels in FORTRAN if they were the target of a > > > branching instruction. > > > > > > Mikkel > > > -- > > > fedora-list mailing list > > > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > > > > > -- > Matthew Saltzman > > Clemson University Math Sciences > mjs AT clemson DOT edu > http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list +----------------------------------------------------------+ Michael D. 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